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mary rosenblum
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Hello, all!
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mary rosenblum
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Welcome to our first Saturday
Writers Workshop!
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mary rosenblum
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This is our Saturday Writers
Workshop, with me, Mary Rosenblum, your web editor. I've published seven
novels and more than 60 short stories and will do my best to answer any
questions you have. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on
the 'Ask a Question' button or the 'word bubble' next to the red question
mark at the top of the screen in order to ask a question. Your regular
'send' bar won't reach me! Or you can use /ask and type your question into
the regular send bar if that works better for you..
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mary rosenblum
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Since doing always seems to
work better than lecturing...I thought we'd try another of our hands on
sessions...
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mary rosenblum
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and this time do a bit of
brainstorming on stuck stories. One of the most valuable discoveries you
will make as professional writers...
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mary rosenblum
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is that there is ALWAYS a way
to make a story work.
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mary rosenblum
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Stories can tend to seem like
preformed entities when we first start writing.
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mary rosenblum
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They occur to us and
essentially all we do is tweak and polish them...they work or they don't
work.
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mary rosenblum
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And that is mostly due to our
inexperience with the structure and function of story.
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mary rosenblum
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Eventually you realize that
you are playing with a huge stack of colored Legos...
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mary rosenblum
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and if one structure doesn't
work, you tear it apart and put it together with new Legos...
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mary rosenblum
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that every story idea will
work, you just need to find the right Legos.
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mary rosenblum
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And the more you do it, the
faster it happens. :-)
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mary rosenblum
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Anyone have a story idea that
won't work, to start off with?
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happybunny
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Mary, if you have time could you
talk about how to choose the POV character for a story? For example, let's
say that the story is about a teen who is murdered. The characters are a
popular football player at the high school (who is actually the murderer),
a friend of the murdered teen, and a school outcast who is suspects the
football player. How would you choose which one to make the POV character?
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mary rosenblum
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Happy, that's a good question
and a critical one, because the story will be different depending on which
characater you use...
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mary rosenblum
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and 'unsticking' a stuck story
can often be accomplished by simply changing the POV character.
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mary rosenblum
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Deciding whose story it is is
not always easy either.
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mary rosenblum
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Let's look at this example.
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mary rosenblum
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We have the murderer...the
football hero, a friend of the victim, and our outcast. SO let's see how
our story would differ depending on POV.
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mary rosenblum
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If we use our football hero,
our murderer, how can we make this a compelling story?
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mary rosenblum
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Well, we might let HIM tell
the story, and let him lie to the readers...he tells his version as if he
is the injured party or merely a bystander...
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mary rosenblum
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and at the end, he finally
reveals that he has been lying, and he killed her.
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mary rosenblum
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That gives us a twist ending a
la Hitchcock.
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mary rosenblum
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So what if we go with the
friend? Maybe she befriends the outcast and of course he is suspected...
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mary rosenblum
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and she knows he couldn't do
it, so she undertakes to prove his innocence. This is a classic mystery
plot and might make a dynamite YA mystery.
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mary rosenblum
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What about our outcast? Here,
first person might again be our best choice...
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mary rosenblum
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since we could have a somewhat
cynical young voice who comments on the politics of the HS world...
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mary rosenblum
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even as he watches everyone
suspect him. Maybe he finally comes forward with the one piece of evidence
that points irrevocably toward our football hero...
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mary rosenblum
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but the strength of this
version might be his scathing insights into this world of petty politics
compared to the stark reality of murder.
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mary rosenblum
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Again, this could be a very
powerful YA, but it's not a classic mystery plot as the 'friend's version',
and is potentially more powerful.
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mary rosenblum
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So there you have three very
different stories...one that is almost a horror piece, one classic mystery,
and one powerful mainstream. THe first could appeal to all ages, while the
other two...
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mary rosenblum
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in my opinion, would be most
powerful as YA stories. (Young Adult for those who don't know the
shorthand).
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mary rosenblum
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So there you have THREE
potential stories from one idea. Not bad, eh? Change the setting and
characters and you can write all three.
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mary rosenblum
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A fourth possibility is to do
a story where we alternate POVs so that each of these characters gets to
tell his/her version of the death and only at the very end do we...
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find out the truth.
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mary rosenblum
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And in this case, each of
these stories would be equally strong. So which POV do you use? Well, which
story do YOU want to write?
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mary rosenblum
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Pick the one that resonates
with you.
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mary rosenblum
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This is our Saturday Writers
Workshop, with me, Mary Rosenblum, your web editor. I've published seven
novels and more than 60 short stories and will do my best to answer any
questions you have. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on
the 'Ask a Question' button or the 'word bubble' next to the red question
mark at the top of the screen in order to ask a question. Your regular
'send' bar won't reach me! Or you can use /ask and type your question into
the regular send bar if that works better for you..
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info
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I send my instructor the first
scene to my 'Mighty Bat Hunter' story for Assignment 9 and she said that no
one would read a story about a phone call for service to get rid of a bat.
How do I change it and not comprimise the rest of the story?
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speckledorf
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Could you write all three
versions and sell them?
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mary rosenblum
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Sorry, wanted to get this in
before we moved on. Yep. Change the characters and setting and sell 'em
all. :-) Different stories.
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mary rosenblum
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OR try selling them all to the
same editor to run in subsequent issues.... :-)
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mary rosenblum
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Okay, as to the bat story...
'No one' is a dangerous phrase, and I'm not sure it's ever accurate.
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mary rosenblum
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There is a VERY popular radio
piece that begins with two cops getting a call to catch a squirrel in an
apartment. :-)
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mary rosenblum
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It has gotten a LOT of air
time. However, what your instructor probably meant was that THIS version
might not interest readers.
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mary rosenblum
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I think a call for help with a
bat could be a great hook!
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mary rosenblum
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You either have to appeal the
humor, or really snag the reader's attention.
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mary rosenblum
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Whose POV is the story in? The
woman or the person responding to the call?
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info
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the owner of the cat that no one
knows about until the end
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info
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the owner who answers the phone
is a woman
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mary rosenblum
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Well, I"m STILL not sure
if the person seeking help with the bat is the POV or not. :-)
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info
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I am trying from the owner's pov
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mary rosenblum
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Okay and I"m assuming
that the owner calls for help because the bat is in the house?
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info
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someone calls the owner asking
the owner's help to rid bat
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mary rosenblum
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Okay, THAT's what i wanted to
know! :-)
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mary rosenblum
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This is our Saturday Writers
Workshop, with me, Mary Rosenblum, your web editor. I've published seven
novels and more than 60 short stories and will do my best to answer any
questions you have. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on
the 'Ask a Question' button or the 'word bubble' next to the red question
mark at the top of the screen in order to ask a question. Your regular
'send' bar won't reach me! Or you can use /ask and type your question into
the regular send bar if that works better for you..
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mary rosenblum
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Here you have a LOT of
potential for a humorous hook. We have the hysterical phone call from the
wacky and eccentric neighbor or friend or relative...
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mary rosenblum
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that sets our bat hunter into
action. Maybe you just need to make the caller more eccentric and the phone
call for help more intriguing.
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mary rosenblum
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This is exactly the kind of
start that I could envision for a Bailey White narrative and she is a top
selling author.
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mary rosenblum
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It's just the kind of off
beat, unusual, and colorful situation she uses a lot.
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mary rosenblum
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I don' t think there's
anything intrinsically 'wrong' with starting that way. YOu simply have to
make the opening catchy. It needs to hook the reader even if they're not
bat fans. :-)(
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phil-w
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Mary, do questions have to be
short.
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mary rosenblum
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Phil, they can be as long as
you can paste into the send bar. :-) You'll do better with /ask than your
question send bar.
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mary rosenblum
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. I found one of those
"this could be such a cool story" ideas in our paper recently. A
94-year old woman was dropped off at an elderly care center by an
acquaintance who knew nothing about the woman's family. She's a friendly,
talkative woman but she refuses to talk about her past or any family, other
than her husband who apparently died in 1964. She arrived with only a
jacket, a cane and a handbag--no ID other than a medical card. They've
determined that she's lived in the county for the past 5 years and has a
storage shed in another town filled with clothes, a movie projector, books
and photos. It lends itself to a mystery. I also wondered how else it could
be handled. Hope you'll be able to get to this on Saturday. Thanks!
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mary rosenblum
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This is from MLH..who DID make
it to the workshop after all! Glad to see you!
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mary rosenblum
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Oh this has a lot of
potential, MLH!
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mary rosenblum
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YOu could handle this several
ways. Let's start with the characters and see how each POV directs the
story.
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mary rosenblum
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WE have someone on the staff
of the care facility. We have the person who dropped the woman off, and of
course, we have the woman herself.
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mary rosenblum
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So let's start with the person
on the care staff...
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mary rosenblum
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Maybe the old woman reminds
him of the dead grandmother who raised him and some of her rambling
comments...
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mary rosenblum
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lead him to think there is
more to her past than meets the eye. Maybe she gives him the key to the
storage shed and he finds the stuff...
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and goes through it and
eventually reconstructs her past.
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mary rosenblum
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Now this could go two ways. He
could unearth the solution to a mystery and it could make a nice cozy
mystery story.
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mary rosenblum
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OR he could delve into his own
feelings about that grandmother and his own past as he delved into hers...
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and eventually find healing
for something inside himself that needed to be healed.
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mary rosenblum
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So there you have a mystery or
a mainstream piece from that POV.
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mary rosenblum
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It could be from the POV of
the woman who dropped her off.
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mary rosenblum
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Again, this would make a nice
mystery... SHE gets hold of that key and begins to sort through the storage
unit. Maybe the care people even give her the key and ask her to do it for
some reason.
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mary rosenblum
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Again...you could go mystery
or it could be a mainstream piece and she could find out that the woman
somehow connects to a shadowy part of her own past...
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mary rosenblum
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ultimately revealing a family
secret that has shadowed a couple of generations.
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mary rosenblum
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The old woman would be a
tougher POV, because I think you'd have to go first person there.
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mary rosenblum
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But she could be sort of
standing back and watching and commenting to herself (and us) as people
root through her past and decide who she must have been...
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mary rosenblum
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and I think to make that work,
you'd need a strong end...a twist, a final revelation that does an
O'Henry-esque job of turning the story on its head.
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mlh
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I got stuck with this trying to
figure out a motive for her unwillingness to speak of her past.
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mary rosenblum
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Well, from her POV it could
just be a sort of contrary..."I don't really matter to you, if you
want to know about me, figure it out'...
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mary rosenblum
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OR...she could know that her
past will wound the woman who found her or someone in the care facility and
choose not to hurt that person.
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mary rosenblum
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Or she could simply be
confused or have Altzheimers or be suffering from schizophrenia.
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tory
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or her husband was a war
criminal in hiding or the family was in witness protection or...
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mary rosenblum
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oooh...good ones, Tory! Or she
herself has spent a lifetime in the witness protection and is the famous
wife of a mobster or what have you.
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mary rosenblum
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Send your comments to me as
questions, will you?
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mary rosenblum
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That way they'll end up in the
transcript...they don't if you use the auditorium send bar.
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mary rosenblum
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scotty use /ask in front of
your question in the regular send bar.
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scotty
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what if she owned the nursing
home when it was a residence
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mary rosenblum
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That could work. Aha! That
could also turn this into a nice romance if she's trying to get two of the
people together and one is related to her...
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mary rosenblum
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and could inherit the
property.
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starlighttraveler
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How about she is the birth
mother of the nurse?
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mary rosenblum
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Another good reason to be
quiet. :-) That could be the mystery element here, or it could be the
strong center of a more mainstream piece.
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smilingsunflower
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maybe she was tired of her
family and wanted to get lost
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mary rosenblum
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That could work, too,
sunflower. It could make a powerful mainstream piece if our caretaker found
her history out and in the process, he --who had no family -- connected
with...
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mary rosenblum
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our old woman who didn't want
her family.
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scotty
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if she owned the home
previously, then she may have knowledge of valuable art work hidden in the
attic!
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mary rosenblum
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That could be. And maybe the
home...a very nice one...is on the verge of closing due to financial
problems...
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tkat_2
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or the rare coins in the safe in
the parlor
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mary rosenblum
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Yep...or a deed to the
valuable property next door or any of the above. :-)
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mary rosenblum
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Nice work, all!
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scotty
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I want to tell the story of my
aunt's wartime experiences
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mary rosenblum
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That's very doable scotty.
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mary rosenblum
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There is a nonfiction subgenre
of historical narrative where kids tell the story of their parents or
grandparents lives.
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mary rosenblum
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One recent one...Field of
Stones, is i THINK the title...is the story of a woman who went back...
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mary rosenblum
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to Serbia to search for family
deaths in some of mass graves there...
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mary rosenblum
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it's nonfiction that has the
elements of fiction and she tells her family's story beginning before
WWII...
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mary rosenblum
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bringing the scenes to life
rather than merely narrating.
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mary rosenblum
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It's a very popular and doable
genre.
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scoobysnax21
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what if the old lady had
comitted a murder a long time ago
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mary rosenblum
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That's a nother good
possibility, scooby.
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mary rosenblum
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Our POV could face the ethical
dilemma of revealing it or keeping silent if he/she discovers the truth.
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scotty
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what about POV for wartime
story?
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mary rosenblum
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It is quite acceptable to go
into the POV of your relatives in those years. Treat them as if they are
fictional characters. Actually, if you choose to write this, I would read
this woman's book. I intend to buy it, so if you email me after this...
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mary rosenblum
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I'll give you the exact title
and ordering info. I heard an interview with the author and was highly
impressed.
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mary rosenblum
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email me at
maryrsn@comcast.net
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mary rosenblum
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Or from my website.
www.maryrosenblum.com
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tory
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Mary, I think children are
fascinating and can teach us many lesson, but my instruction says adult
fiction cannot havechild MC unless it is nostalgia pieces. I'd like to
write some adult fiction with kids as central, if not main, charachters.
Do-able?
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mary rosenblum
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Oh goodness, Tory, that's not
true... One of my most-sold stories has a ten year old boy as POV. I've
earned as much as a novel advance on that story, Water Bringer.
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mary rosenblum
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Some of most popular short
fiction has featured child POVs They can be VERY powerful..
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mary rosenblum
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because they allow the writer
to use a 'lense of innocence' and to look at events through unbiased eyes
that see the details we have learned to ignore as adults.
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mary rosenblum
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Look at Scout, the POV of To
Kill a Mockingbird. She's very young and it is her 'lense of innocence'
that gives that book the power it has.
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mary rosenblum
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And adult POV would bring far
too much bias to the story.
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tkat_2
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I went to your site, Mary, and I
like it .:)
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mary rosenblum
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Thanks tkat! I like it, too.
My friend Deborah did it.
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mary rosenblum
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Personally, I think a child
POV is one of the most powerful you can choose as a writer.... it is not
easy to pull off because you have to THINK like a child...
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mary rosenblum
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and most of us have forgotten
how to do that. :-) But if you CAN, then you instantly connect with just
about every adult out there because we were ALL children once.
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mary rosenblum
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BUT you do need a reason to
use a child POV rather than an adult...and the story itself needs to
compell adult readers.
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mary rosenblum
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Scout shows us the dramatic
and compelling events in her small town in Mockingbird.
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mary rosenblum
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If the plot events were
boring, she wouldn't be able to hold readers as a POV, but the events and
characters she sees are what hold us.
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info
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as a possible thought, would it
be possible for a child to be the caller asking for assistance in the bat
story?
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mary rosenblum
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Good idea, info. That could
indeed work.
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mary rosenblum
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But do remember...
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mary rosenblum
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if you choose to use a child
POV, the events and other characters have to carry the weight of your
story.
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mary rosenblum
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The child is just the lense we
see through.
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mary rosenblum
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If we have an adult POV., that
character alone can carry the weight of the story.
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mary rosenblum
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Setting: Bayou country in
Louisiana about 75 miles outside New Orleans One day after another big
rain, Leroy goes walking along the tracks to think. He's unemployed again.
Just can't seem to keep a job anymore. Must be getting too old. As he
walks, he notices how the rain has washed out a lot of the dirt from around
and underneath the tracks. He comes up on one place where it's really bad
and he stops to examine it. He finds a box wrapped in plastic. He opens it.
It's full of money. ,000 to be exact. He takes it home and figures his
troubles are over. But his troubles are just beginning. Voodoo is for real
out in the swamps and Leroy is about to discover just how real.
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mary rosenblum
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This is our Saturday Writers
Workshop, with me, Mary Rosenblum, your web editor. I've published seven
novels and more than 60 short stories and will do my best to answer any
questions you have. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on
the 'Ask a Question' button or the 'word bubble' next to the red question
mark at the top of the screen in order to ask a question. Your regular
'send' bar won't reach me! Or you can use /ask and type your question into
the regular send bar if that works better for you..
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mary rosenblum
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The above is another idea that
got sent to me.
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mary rosenblum
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WEll this doesn't go very far
into the actual story idea, but it's a fun one with a lot of potential.
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mary rosenblum
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We have Leroy who has just
found a lot of money. Our first guess or course will be that it was stolen.
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mary rosenblum
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And someone with Vodoo skills
or access to it is obviously not happy with Leroy for finding it.
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mary rosenblum
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So we have the obvious
external plot...
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mary rosenblum
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of strange occurrances that
are Voodoo attacks...
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mary rosenblum
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and if the writer really does
his/her homework and gets the real Voodoo culture down...
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mary rosenblum
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this could be a mystery that
sells very well..since that is just the kind of inside look that really
does make new mystery series take off.
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mary rosenblum
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It might work best to have
another POV other than Leroy.
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mary rosenblum
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The implication is that Leroy
hangs onto the money and that means if it's stolen, he's not ethical enough
to turn it over to the cops...
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mary rosenblum
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and if it's not stolen, he's
not ethical enough to give it back.
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mary rosenblum
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And you CAN make him a
loveable soundral who is a great MC for the story, or you can give him a
friend who is ethical and a cop and doesn't know about the money...
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mary rosenblum
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but is fond of the old
scoundrel and tries to get him out of the trouble he's gotten himself into
even though he doesn't know the full extent of it.
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mary rosenblum
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You could make that person a
member of the local police force and let him solve this very old crime as
he saves Leroy's bacon...
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mary rosenblum
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That really could make a very
saleable mystery novel.
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mary rosenblum
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Or a nice short story for
Hitchcock. Maybe for Ellery Queen if you keep the Voodoo to real world
events. Janet Hutcthings, the editor, will not take anything with ghosts in
it.
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mary rosenblum
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Or supernatural elements.
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mary rosenblum
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However, the strength in this
piece is the Voodoo culture with is much larger and more complex than the
stereotype of pins stuck into dolls. :-)
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mary rosenblum
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Ah...
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mary rosenblum
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My 'marketing alarm' just went
off..which it does when a REALLY good idea hits.
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mary rosenblum
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Make the POV a member of the
Voodoo cult...he was raised by his Aunt who's a priestess...
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mary rosenblum
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and thus he is THE liason
between the Voodoo community and the police and has to solve these crimes
and keep his...
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mary rosenblum
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heavy handed fellow cops out
of a culture they don't understand well.
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mary rosenblum
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Ooooh...now THAT has best
seller written all over it!
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mary rosenblum
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And a LOT of research!
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mary rosenblum
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Well, I have one more 'in
inventory' here. :-)
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mary rosenblum
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A lady who wears purple head
to toe everyday. Her life hasn't been that great but she feels if she
breaks up the color, bad things will happen. One day, she loses her purple
shoes and runs barefoot to the nearest shoe store. The only color that
comes close is pink. She puts on the pink shoes and things start to happen
for the better. The outcome of this changes her life.
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mary rosenblum
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Now this has the makings of a
charming short story...maybe one for those storyhouse coffee labels...
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mary rosenblum
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(And I got my first can of
beans with part one of my romance series on it...GOOD coffee!!! )
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mary rosenblum
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What will make this work is a
strong, vivid, and quirky woman.
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We want someone endearing that
we can be amused by but who also charms us so we want her to succeed.
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Or, of course, you can put
another character into this and leave us with the uneasy feeling that the
other character..
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has powers we don't understand
and changed some sort of rule to make the color change matter...
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and it could be a spooky
fanasy/sf short short. Something for Talebones maybe?
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In either case, I think the
main thing here is SHORT>
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This isn't going to be a story
where we are going to become hugely involved with the character...it's sort
of a punchline story that should work very welll...
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with a vividly drawn character
and not a lot of length.
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Well, this has been a fun
experiement.
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Folks turned in good story
ideas, and if you'll notice, it was often possible to get several very
different stories, just by considering how the story would change as the
POV changed.
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There is ALWAYS a way to find
a full story in any idea.
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And one of the best things you
can do for yourself as a writer...
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is to do a daily 'story
generating' exercise.
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Pick a story from the
newspaper or magazine and create a story idea from it.
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It might be hard at first, but
the more you do it, the easier it gets. It's my favorite game to play while
stopped in rush hour traffic.
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Pick someone in a car and make
up a story involving that person as MC>
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info
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thank you Mary for giving me a
great idea how to redo my scene and continue it.
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I hope it works for you.
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Remember...the easiest way to
'unstick' a story is the CHANGE the story.
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Our tendency is to keep
banging our heads against that wall, when it's usually a LOT easier to turn
left or right and simply go in another direction!
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Change is a GOOD thing in
writing! That's why we don't use a chisel and stone tablets, remember?
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speckledorf
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Hey...how did the
"badging" go last night?
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speck is referring to my
younger son, Jake. I got to pin his firefighter's badge on him yesterday
evening. New member of Corvallis Fire Department...Station 2.
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dbamarsha
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That is so cool, Mary. Did you
burst all your buttons?
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Well, I managed not to cry!
Modest kid...the Chief told me he got the highest score on the tests of all
the new hires. Jake didn't say a word about that!
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geezer
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What's St, Helens doing lately?
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Oh, she's just building
herself a new top so she can blow it later. :-)
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If you want to look at her
snowy dome, there's a live camera planted near the lava dome.
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Mt St Helens camera
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dbamarsha
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Our children do surprise us,
don't they? That's really great, Mary.
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Well, it IS great, marsha. How
many kids really grow up to do what they want to do in life? How many end
up doing what they think they NEED to do?
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Well, do stop in tomorrow for
our casual chat...
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it's at 5 pm Pacific time, 6
pm mt, 7 pm central, and 8 pm east coast.
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Thanks for coming. We'll do
more of these hands on workshops. If you have suggestions for what you'd
liike to participate in, drop me an email...
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maryrsn@comcast.net
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Have a good weekend all!
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See you Sunday!
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