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Submitting and Publishing: Questions and Answers 10/19/04

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Tue Oct 19 12:05:09 2004

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Tue Oct 19 13:30:46 2004



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mary rosenblum

Hello,all!

mary rosenblum

This is the Tuesday Forum with me, Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor, fiction and nonfiction writer. Today we're talking about submitting and publishing your work. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask a Question' button or the 'word bubble' next to the red question mark at the top of the screen, or use the ask a question icon in order to ask a question. Your regular 'send' bar won't reach me! You can also type /ask in front of your question to reach me.

mary rosenblum

I hope you all had a great weekend,and are all finding more time to write as we move into fall and 'writing weather'. :-)

mary rosenblum

I wanted to talk about publishing and submissions since I get a lot of questions from both Long Ridge students and people on the website.

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So if you have any questions, this is where to ask them!

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Remember that if you can't send a long quesiton in your 'ask a question' send bar...

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you can send it from your regular send bar by simply typing /ask in front of it.

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I wanted to start with the question I probably get asked most:

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When can I query? I haven't heard back from the editor and I sent my story/query/article in MONTHS ago.

mary rosenblum

This is a tough one. If you are submitting a book length work and you are submitting to a publisher who is willing to take unagented ms, a full manuscript might take more than a year to work its way up to the editor.

writermom

Mary I just wanted to announce again that I have been named Section Editor for Just For Mom an online magazine. The section I will be editing is Timeout For Parents. I am looking for unpublished Moms and Dads to submit their work. We want fiction, non fiction and poetry about absolutely anthing, NO THEME LISTS. Just adhere to the Just For Mom writing guidelines and keep it at 1000 words or less. submit all your work to timeout@justformom.com Thanks Chris Weigand

mary rosenblum

Oh, cool, writermom!

mary rosenblum

Why don't you email me a copy of your writers guidelines and I'll post it in the new markets section in Writing Craft?

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Do stress that 'unpublished' requirement, please. :-)

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You can send it to me at maryrsn@comcast.net

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I'll be sending out a website update tomorrow, so if you get it to me today sometime, I can include it in the update.

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Right now, for those of you who ARE yet unpublished, the internet offers...

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a host of non-paying markets and markets that don't pay much.

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While I always advocate sending work first to top paying markets, if you don't sell something there, try for the small markets.

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A publication is a publication and while a publication in a small no-pay market is not like publishing in Red Book or one of the top markets...

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many of those markets are well respected. And they do prove that you can write something publishable. :-)

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And writermom tells me that Just for Mom is not a paying market, but it is a clip!

t green

I know the difference between 'pays on acceptance' and 'pays on publication', but is there a time limit on how long a publisher can hold your work without telling you they're holding it for publication at a later date? I've sent a query after 4 months, still received no reply. Now what do I do? withdraw the article or send another query?

mary rosenblum

Thank you for bringing this up, t.

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This is something that you really need to think about.

mary rosenblum

Let's first talk about on acceptance versus on publication in terms of payments.

mary rosenblum

This is the Tuesday Forum with me, Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor, fiction and nonfiction writer. Today we're talking about submitting and publishing your work. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask a Question' button or the 'word bubble' next to the red question mark at the top of the screen, or use the ask a question icon in order to ask a question. Your regular 'send' bar won't reach me! You can also type /ask in front of your question to reach me.

mary rosenblum

Most publishers now 'pay on publication', including Long Ridge.

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That means that you don't get the check until the issue including your story/article goes to press.

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This cuts down on large capital investments in inventory and is to the publisher's financial advantage...not yours!

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But it IS a fact of life these days.

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However, if there is no kill-fee or pub-by date in your contract, then yes, the publisher can hold that story indefinitely.

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And it is a good idea to write in a 'pub by' date in your contract.

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Now if you are going to do this be reasonable. Remember that often magazines are 'roughed out' six months in advance, so if you put a pub-by date into your contract...

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that is six months from the date you return it, your editor may refuse the change or refuse to buy the story.

mary rosenblum

I would set your pub-by date for two years. That gives the editor plenty of lead time.

mbvoelker

My biggest sale, a cover story for Bird Talk, was pay on publication. It ws published almost precisely 2 years after acceptance. Pay on acceptance might have been nice but for something big like that I was more than willing to wait.

mary rosenblum

That's about right, mb.

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Asimov's, for example, usually publishes my work about a year after they buy it, but because I'm an established name, I get to go head of less well known writers.

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New writers generally wait a couple of years.

bravo6

Kill-fee? We PAY to have it killed or THEY pay us becuase they can't/won't use it or we request it back????

mary rosenblum

A kill fee is the fee that the publisher pays YOU if they decide not to publish your work after all.

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Generally it is about half of the original purchase price.

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It is not often mentioned in short story contracts, unless you are in a top market, but should be mentioned in contracts for book length works.

sailor

I've had 2 articles accepted by a pay on pub mag. They are national, but operate loosely - no written contract, just e-mail acceptance. The guidelines say they buy one-time rights. What rights can I sell elsewhere while I'm waiting?

mary rosenblum

Well, sailor, you're in a bind here. They are assuming, I'm sure, that they are buying First Rights, and you don't know when the article will be published.

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That means while you can go ahead and sell reprint rights (Second Rights), you have to be sure that the buyer of those 'reprint' rights doesn't...

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publish that 'reprint' before you national mag publishes the article!

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So if you want to offer reprint rights, you need to tell that editor that it depends on when the article is published by the first buyer, and I doubt...

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that the editor will buy it happily. She/he isn't going to want to commit to an article when she has no idea when it can be used.

bravo6

- per sailor's comments about first rights, etc (Hi Sailor...) Couldn't she give it a twist a resell it to someone else with a differrent slant?

mary rosenblum

Sure, but it must be a genuinely different slant.

mary rosenblum

I just heard of a case where a well know PRO sold the same article to two top markets with minimal change and got threatned with a lawsuit by one of the mags. NOT a good way to help your career along.

t green

There is no contract. it's a magazine article, sent for submission 'cold' with a cover letter.

mary rosenblum

Then you're just waiting to hear if they want it or not, t.

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The magazine's writers guidelines will tell you what they buy and how they pay for it.

t green

I've got no problem waiting, I just want to know if they're interested in purchasing the piece at all, or if they even received it! (I sent it to Scholastic)

mary rosenblum

Ah. Well, if they've had it for longer than their specified response time...

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again in the writers guidelines...then go ahead and query them.

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Send them a nice letter saying that you're afraid that the article never arrived and offering to resend it. ;-)

mary rosenblum

Prodding someone's guilt response is never a bad idea!

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MUCH better than an angry letter saying 'I assume you don't want this and just didn't bother to tell me'...or something like that.

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You get remembered for that, and if your article and someone else's are of equal itnerest...guess which one the editor will buy?

curseofthe44

If you have and article or story that is submitted to one magazine, but find another that you would like to submit the story to as well, could you change the story somewhat and submit to the next publication and not be breaking your contract with the first publication?

mary rosenblum

Only if you REALLY change the story, curse. Changing the setting or renaming the characters is not going to do it.

mary rosenblum

Remember...you are looking at a lifetime career here, not just one sale this year.

mary rosenblum

If you alienate an editor...how often do you think you'll sell to him?

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Yes, if you're Stephen King you can jerk anyone around...

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but until you ARE...think about selling to this person again. Is it worth the sale if you cut yourself out of a market?

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EVERYBODY is anxious to get there stories and queries out fast, fast,fast...

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and the long response times are very frustrating.

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You will really help yourself as a writer if you cultivate the long term view. Those pieces are your lifetime inventory...

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Instead of chewing your nails until you hear from THIS market, work on the NEXT piece and get that one out.

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You have the rest of your life to sell these things.

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Unless you are writing about current events, articles and stories have a forever shelf life.

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You can always revise to fit current trends if you don't sell it for years.

sailor

Sometimes the editor geniunely did not receive it. I e-mail an article with lots of attached photos to an editor who usually gets back to be very quickly. (She apologized once when it took 2 weeks for her to get back to me.) This time 3 weeks passed. I e-mailed asking if she rec'd it, saying I was sorry to bother her but she had spoiled me with her usually quick response. She said she never got it. I resent and got an acceptance in a week.

mary rosenblum

That's absolutely true, sailor. I've had several ms go missing over the years.

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That's why it is fine to query, but just do it politely. If you whine or demand and catch the editor on a bad day...

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that editor may just go find your ms, slap a form rejection on it and send it right back to you.

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And do realize that many editors will HOLD a new writer's piece...

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waiting for an opening in an issue that has plenty of strong, established writers in it. YOU aren't going to sell any copies for her...except to your mother...

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so you won't help her magazine, but she wants to give you a start and hangs on, waiting for a chance.

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BUT...if you then send her a snippy letter...want to guess what she'll do? That 'did it get lost in the mail' is a good strategy.

bravo6

When should I see the contract I need to sign? ;-)

mary rosenblum

You will get a contract after you sell the story or article or book, bravo.

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You should know what the publisher is buying...that is in the guidelines...but the contract will include...

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other details that you must read.

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And it is okay to make reasonable changes...I just changed a contract I received for an anthology sale,.

helen h

If an editor returns a story saying they don't have space at that time and often send back good material, is it acceptable to resubmit it to them say a couple of years later in the hopes they have more space?

mary rosenblum

Sure, helen. Now that may be the editor's polite way of simply rejecting you, and I'd sure send it out elsewhere...

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unless the editor specifically says 'try me in six months'.

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But eventually, try it again and remind the editor that she liked it in the first place but didn't have space for it.

mary rosenblum

This is the Tuesday Forum with me, Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor, fiction and nonfiction writer. Today we're talking about submitting and publishing your work. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask a Question' button or the 'word bubble' next to the red question mark at the top of the screen, or use the ask a question icon in order to ask a question. Your regular 'send' bar won't reach me! You can also type /ask in front of your question to reach me.

shayon-joseph

Hi Mary, my question deals with peripheral writing assignments. Can you speak at all to things like, Technical Writing or Consultative writing for business (i.e., marketing ad copy) as a stop gap measure between getting one's articles published or waiting for an agent to pick you up on a book length project.

mary rosenblum

Sure Shayon...by all means do it, if it doesn't get in the way of your main writing.

mary rosenblum

It DOES for me, which is why I prefer teaching, myself...

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but many writers help pay bills by doing tech writing or hollywood writing or hack writing.

owlybear

I've seen magazines that want all rights.. Should we avoid those ones??

mary rosenblum

Yes, yes, and YES!!! ALL RIGHTS means you are selling your WORDS>

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When you sell 'rights' you are selling permission for someone to use your words in a certain way, but the words themselves still belong to you and you can sell other types of permission.

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All rights means the buyer OWNS your words.

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Now many 'new editors' use this because they don't know how to write a contract and this seems simpler...

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and a lot of newbie writers will sign it. Top markets do not.

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Just change it...what does thatpublisher need? Is it a website?

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You can sell electronic rights for a limited time...say a year...

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or two.

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Or offer first world rights...

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But do NOT offer ALL RIGHTS.

sailor

What is "hack writing"?

mary rosenblum

THat's a somewhat derogatory term, but what it means is writing something that you don't much care about for pay...usually fiction.

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And it also means you do it as 'work for hire'...

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and own no rights.

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Nothing wrong with it...lots of people pay bills donig that.

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Porn is a big hack-writing industry, btw.

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Not my idea of how to pay the bills, but it works for some.

jackie7777

All Rights Reserved - meaning?

mary rosenblum

In what context, jackie. Where did you see that?

roe

If I publish something online on a member only site and then offer to a hardcopy mag. what rights am I selling and do I have to tell them it's published online. Are electronic first rights different than First North American Serial?

mary rosenblum

This is a sticky issue, roe.

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And it depends on the publisher.

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Most will probably not be willing to pay you First Rights rates..even if it is memebers only.

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And some ...markets that don't publish reprints...may not be willing to buy it at all.

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But you DO have to tell the editor. Remember you are signing a legal contract.

mary rosenblum

This is the Tuesday Forum with me, Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor, fiction and nonfiction writer. Today we're talking about submitting and publishing your work. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask a Question' button or the 'word bubble' next to the red question mark at the top of the screen, or use the ask a question icon in order to ask a question. Your regular 'send' bar won't reach me! You can also type /ask in front of your question to reach me.

tkat_2

So which is the safest way to send an MS or query?

mary rosenblum

If you are sending a book length ms, by all means send it economy fedex or UPS.

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That way you can track it and you know it got delivered.

mary rosenblum

Copying a ms is expensive, but NEVER EVER send your only copy...

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the gods love to get people who do that...your ms will be lost and your hard drive will crash...guaraneed. Murphy's Law Number 243

mary rosenblum

I send short work and queries first class. They get better treatment...

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you can put 'received' post cards in the envelope but they make editors roll their eyes.

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Often they are not even discovered until the editor takes the ms out of the envelope to read the cover letter.

jackie7777

All Rights Reserved - saw this printed in a novel.

mary rosenblum

That's what I assumed. That means that the publisher reserves all the rights you granted to it...nobody can copy and distribute the book without consuting them.

bravo6

Would this be considered published? If I e-mailed them all individually they could just delete the file if they didn't want to, but this allows them to pick the ones they DO want to crititue

mary rosenblum

Doesn't sound like it, bravo. Published is displayed in some publically accessible format...and members only sites ARE publically accessible if you join!

mary rosenblum

But email is not published any more than a computer print out handed around at a writers workshop is published.

mary rosenblum

This is the Tuesday Forum with me, Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor, fiction and nonfiction writer. Today we're talking about submitting and publishing your work. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask a Question' button or the 'word bubble' next to the red question mark at the top of the screen, or use the ask a question icon in order to ask a question. Your regular 'send' bar won't reach me! You can also type /ask in front of your question to reach me.

helen h

have you ever encountered editors who layout and print first,, then send you the contract after the fact? or are they the exception.

mary rosenblum

No, helen. They don't have any right to use my words in any way until I sign the contract. What if I say, no, I don't like this, you can't have my story?

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If someone is doing it, they are likely to run into trouble eventually.

joanc

Mary what does it mean when they say they want 'clips' obviously they don't want whole manuscripts, or do they?

mary rosenblum

Joan, a clip can be a copy of a magazine or newspaper article...

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or if you have published a book, you can simply give publisher, date of publication, and maybe an ISBN number. And title of course.

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They don't want the book...BUT...if you think the book might sell whatever you're offering and it's worth the cost...send the book.

bravo6

But what if you stipulated something that wasn't outrageous, for those. I.E - a word, a word for ALL rights??? :-) Other than avoidance...

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Feel free, bravo.

mary rosenblum

And if they make a blockbuster movie out of that story that maybe netted you 3000 dollars won't whine to ME!

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Remember 'Sometimes a Great Notion' by Ken Keasey? It was made into a blockbuster movie.

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You want to guess how much he got for that?

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Yep. Nada. He had a bad agent and signed away his movie rights.

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He didn't get a dime.

sailor

If you see something in a contract you don't like, do you just change it and send it back, or do you call the editor first to discuss what you want to change?

mary rosenblum

Sailor, I just change it because I know what editors are likely to give on and what is not changeable...BUT...if you do NOT know your way around the industry, by all means call first.

mary rosenblum

It's a headache for both of you to swap contracts by mail!

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Now if I want to make a change that is major, I will call.

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and I'm talking short work contracts. I don't touch book length contracts. That's why my agent gets a chunk of my money!

roe

Does first world rights take in electronic rights?

mary rosenblum

It CAN. IT merely specifies that the work can be published anywhere in the world and is generally used for electronic publications...

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but usually as First World Electronic Rights...unless the publisher intends to publish in both print AND on the internet.

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Then electronic rights are not always specified.

shayon-joseph

Mary, back to the issue of time to publication. So, is it usual for a Editor/Market to take "months or even years" to get one's article published? If so, then, how can the freelancer make a living without starving to death?

mary rosenblum

One to three years, shayon. For short work.

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You make a freelance living by sending our MANY MANY articles.

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You keep that day job until you are getting checks regularly enough that you can pay the bills.

mary rosenblum

Yes of course you will have a long early lag as you make sales and not much shows up in print.

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This is a VERY frustrating period for everybody, believe me.

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But as you keep writing and selling, work shows up more and more often as your stuff gets published.

t green

on the "all rights" question... what if it's a TOP magazine... Highlights, Women's World, Ladies Home Journal, Reader's Digest, etc.? would you sell all rights to them?

mary rosenblum

I wouldn't. I'd find out what they were willing to buy. I would be amazed if they are tough about that. I don't know any real pros who will sell All Rights.

writermom

Mary what does one time rights mean When my article was accepted by ONce Upon a Time she specified one time rights in the release

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Means they get to publish it one time in one place.

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They have to pay if they want to use it again.

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I buy one time nonexclusive rights for LR.

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For a period of one year.

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That means after one year, I should take the article down and I can't use it again.

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The contract also specifies that LR can use it in a newsletter if they choose, or post it on the ICL website, say, for an additional fee.

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And nonexclusive means you can publish it elsewhere at the same time.

bravo6

TRoe's question begs this.. . I"publish" most of my stuff on my website. But it is STRRICTLY for critiquers whom i have signed up to help critique it. It puts the document in a place they can come, sign in, get it, critique it and give me feedback

mary rosenblum

That can be problematic, bravo. Probably not, since it's a novel, and if your critiquers have to use a password.

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But it might cost you first rights for short work.

mary rosenblum

If your post is not mentioned on your website anywhere and ONLY your critiquers know about it, then I think you're fine. Just don't mention it!

mary rosenblum

How is an editor going to know about it/

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But if you invite the public to view the chapters...that might even get you in trouble with say, Tor.

helen h

I've heard that sending a sase is a newbie sign. Yet all guidelines request one. can you clarify if you should do it or not?

mary rosenblum

Oh you misheard, Helen! If you do NOT send a SASE most publishers will trash can your ms unread.

mary rosenblum

That is a very hard and fast rule!

mary rosenblum

Sending a 'did you get this?" postcard is a newbie signature.

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NEVER EVER send in a submission without a SASE.

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It will simply not get read and will get tossed.

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And that is INDEED one of the NEVER!s in writing!

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ALWAYS include a SASE.

curseofthe44

Should a SASE be paper clipped to the manuscript?

mary rosenblum

Yep. If it ends up left in the envelope, the editor may think you didn't invclude it. I always type enc: Story Title, SASE, at the bottom of my cover letter...

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so that the editor knows I included it. :-)

jackie7777

Email submissions?

mary rosenblum

Email subs are hard, if you don't hear back. I often find that LR student ms vanish on their way through cyberspace and they have to resend 'em.

mary rosenblum

Many publishers send out automated 'we got this' replies.

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If you don't hear back..query.

mary rosenblum

I have had a number of people send me submissions that never arrived.

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A lot of spam filters tend to eat letters with attachments.

curseofthe44

What if you have signed the contract, but then when your story is published, the editor has made changes that you were never asked about and possibly don;t approve of?

mary rosenblum

If your contract does not require that the editor get your approval to change things, then tough. You're stuck, curse.

mary rosenblum

Again...using the LR contract as an example..it specifies that I have the right to edit.

mary rosenblum

It does not require that the author approve them...few contracts if any do...if the editor agreed with you, he wouldn't make those changes...

mary rosenblum

Some contracts, like Asimov's, do promise to allow authors to see the page proofs but if you change them, the editor can refuse the changes.

curseofthe44

For submitting fiction, what is best in a cover letter? I've read that you should come up with something witty to attract the editor, and I've also read that it should be kept simple, since most editors don't read the cover letters. If there are no set "rules", how do you know which to use?

mary rosenblum

Out of all the editors I know, I know exactly ONE who says the cover letter matters to her,.

mary rosenblum

The rest glance at it to see if you A: seem competant and B: see if you''re published...

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and then read the ms. The story or personal narrative sells itself. The cover letter does not.

mary rosenblum

Now I WILL use a hook line at times when I send something to a new editor...

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but only if a great one occurs to me and it adds no more than a sentence to the letter.

arfelin

Do winners of writing contests usually have contracts? AHMM asks for your SSN on submissions for their Mysterious Photo Contest, if possible.

mary rosenblum

You only get a contract, arfelin, if you winner gets published. (And then you have just used your First RIghts, remember). The reason AHMM asks for your SSN...

mary rosenblum

is to simplify the bookkeeping. YOu know what? I'm not risking MY SSN just to make someone's life easier.

mary rosenblum

You don't know who is working in the mail room and ID theft is a big deal . Just put SSN provided on request.

mary rosenblum

They're reasonable people at Dell.

mary rosenblum

They only need it if they are going to cut you a check.

joanc

Mary what does it mean when they say 'provides 1-3 contributor's' copies?

mary rosenblum

Nearly all publishers will give you at least one copy of your work for free.

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After that you buy it.

mary rosenblum

Now book publishers give you more.

mary rosenblum

My agent usually specifies about 25 copies. She sends a lot out to foreign publishers.

mary rosenblum

But for magazines you won't usually get more than two or three..

mary rosenblum

although nearly every publisher will give you an 'authors discount' on more...usually forty percent off.

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Oh yes...

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a bit of book publishing reality here.

mary rosenblum

In the real world of sales figures...which dtermines your future book sales...

mary rosenblum

Get your friendly local bookstore to buy copies of your book for you. :-)

mary rosenblum

THOSE sales (and they get a discount, too) will count as 'sales'...

mary rosenblum

if YOU order them from your publisher..they dont.

mary rosenblum

BRB....puppy needs to go out...

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back..

mary rosenblum

sorry. Eight weeks old...when it's OUT it's OUT.

curseofthe44

If given a preference, would you take, say, one copy and money, or (if offered) all copies and no money?

mary rosenblum

Curse, my writing pays my bills. I want money! :-)

calgal

Hi Mary, any new news on the novel writing course?

mary rosenblum

Yes, actually. WE had to take a break on working on it...the LR editor had other projects to finish, and I had two novels to get out..

mary rosenblum

what I hear now is that it should be online in spring or early summer of 05.

sailor

Mary, did you get a new dog?

mary rosenblum

Yep. Thanks, Sailor. A real gem. She slept at my feet the whole Forum. Nice of her. :-)

mary rosenblum

Well, I'll post this in Writing Craft: Forum Transcripts!

mary rosenblum

Have a good week! Do query when you think your ms has been somewhere way too long, but be polite about it!

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Do drop into our casual chat tomorrow, same time, same place.

mary rosenblum

It's nice to see new faces!

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See you all on the website!

sailor

Congrats on the new dog, Mary. Another Rottie? I got a 1 year old Westie 2 wks ago. Owners could not keep her. She's a sweetie.

mary rosenblum

Yep, sailor, baby rottie...my 3 year old DJ's neice. And she's now rampaging through the house. Gotta go!

mary rosenblum

Bye all!

 

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