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mary rosenblum
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Hello all!
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mary rosenblum
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Welcome to our Friday After
Hours.
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mary rosenblum
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I'm going to spend tomorrow
with some high school students, writing a complete short story each during
the course of the day, from idea to finished short short...
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and I know we'll be working a
lot with 'show, don't tell'...
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so I thought it bore
revisiting tonight.
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mary rosenblum
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It's a deceptive concept...it
seems so simple, but putting it into practice is amazingly tough until you
'get it'.
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mary rosenblum
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This is our After Hours Forum,
with me, Mary Rosenblum, your web editor and tonight we're talking about
show, don't tell. I've published seven novels and more than 60 short
stories and will do my best to answer any questions you have. If you're new
here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask a Question' button or the
'word bubble' next to the red question mark at the top of the screen in
order to ask a question. Your regular 'send' bar won't reach me! Or you can
use /ask and type your question into the regular send bar if that works
better for you..
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mary rosenblum
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What makes it hard for
beginners is that of course, narrative IS telling!
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And we are essentially
becoming magicians...
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using some sleight of hand to
make readers see the doves fly out of our hats, the egg come out of
someone's ear, the silk scarves from the shirt sleeve.
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mary rosenblum
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We ARE telling, but we're
making the reader SEE things.
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mary rosenblum
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That is 'show, don't tell'.
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mary rosenblum
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It is the strength in third
person POV, because it permits us to create a scene for readers that they
can live vicariously, right along with the reader.
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mary rosenblum
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Oops...right along with the
character.
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mary rosenblum
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Essentially, the way you do it
is to make it seem as if we are sharing the Point of View character's
perceptions of what is going on.
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If you describe the scene ONLY
in terms of what the POV sees, senses, and thinks, then you are SHOWING>
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If you include information
that the POV does not see, sense, or think, you are TELLING
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sparks
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How would writing in third
person be better at this than a first person POV? First person would seem
more personal and closer, to me.
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Not at all, sparks.
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mary rosenblum
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The POV is telling the story
in first person.
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First person is automatically
a bit more told than third can be.
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mary rosenblum
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That first person POV
can...and should...tell us what is going on powerfully and vividly...
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so we begin to feel as if
we're sharing the scene...
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but that person is still
telling us what we're seeing.
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mary rosenblum
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It's not nearly as distancing
as third person narrative...
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mary rosenblum
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where the author is telling
readers what everybody is doing...
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that really increases the
narrative distance...
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in other words, we readers
feel that we are standing back, watching the action on a stage...
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rather than being part of the
action, up on the stage with the characters.
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mary rosenblum
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One thing that will add
enormous strength to your first and third POV is to describe your scene...
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by looking through your
character's eyes.
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If my character is in the
living room with her back to the stairs, she does not see her sister
creeping down the stairs behind her.
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And so often, the novice
author will describe that sister on the stairs...
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and that locates us outside
the scene, standing back in the audience...
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not shoulder to shoulder with
the POV in the midst of the story.
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mary rosenblum
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As I write a scene, I
consciously locate myself in my POV's shoes, no matter what voice I"m
using.
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I ask myself two things.
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1: What CAN he/she see?
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2: What would he/she notice?
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The first defines what I can
and cannot describe in the scene.
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The second will vary,
depending on what is going on.
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If the POV is running for her
life, she won't notice the things she'll notice if she's out for a Sunday
stroll.
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ashton
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Hi Mary! Let me see if I can
word this right...I too put myself in my POV's shoes, but I still find I'm
using "she" or "he" a lot. Is that normal and if not,
how do I stop it?
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mary rosenblum
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Sure. The name begins to
'bong' like a bell if you use it too often.
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He/she simply takes the place
of I in a first person narrative.
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And the pronouns, he, she, it
are pretty invisible to the reader.
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We see 'em, we take your
meaning, we're busy seeing the scene. :-)
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megger
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Is the idea like this? ...Mary
gently pushed on the door with her finger and her heart begin to pound when
she met resistance.
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mary rosenblum
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That's the idea, megger. Let's
take it one step further now.
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Clearly this is a dramatic
moment. This door should open and it does not.
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Something is wrong.
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mary rosenblum
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Let's see if we can translate
YOUR words here into Mary's thoughts.
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mary rosenblum
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What exactly would she think
here?
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mary rosenblum
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She pushes on the door. it
doesn't move. Oh no!
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So I'
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So I'd probably write
something like this:
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Mary pushed on the door with
one fingertip. It didn't move. Her heart started to pound.
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Notice that the words are very
spare and simple.
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mary rosenblum
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Instead of 'when she met
resistance' I put in 'It didn't move'.
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Because if I pushed on a door
and it was locked when I expected it to open, I'd probably have a flash of
thought that would be the equivalent of 'it's closed'...something very
brief.
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mary rosenblum
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So by using those very simple
words here, I've attempted to make the reader feel...
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that we are overhearing her
thoughts.
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megger
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So it needs to be broken out
more in terms of thought and possible actions?
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mary rosenblum
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It's a way of increasing the
sense of being there, megger.
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mary rosenblum
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Most of us know that she
didn't think....I have met resistance' when she touches the door.
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I know I don't think that way.
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So that is clearly the
author's voice.
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mary rosenblum
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The more you can create the
effect of letting the character's senses create the scene, the more real
your scene becomes.
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The more you use YOUR words to
describe the scene, the more we're aware that you're telling us a story.
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mary rosenblum
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Ideally, use your character's
vocabulary in third person description. Of course...
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in first person description
you MUST use your character's vocabulary!
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randi-lee
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How do you get all the "I
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mary rosenblum
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You don't, randi. There's
nothing wrong with I and me.
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mary rosenblum
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Hard to do first person
without em.
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mary rosenblum
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Just don't start EVERY
sentence with 'em!
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mary rosenblum
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Remember, people don't speak
in perfect grammar...well, most of us don't.
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We ignore I and Me if they're
not overused.
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randi-lee
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It just sounds so self-centered
to me.
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mary rosenblum
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Well, first person IS self
centered. Our POV is telling us about his/her exploits.
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Ideally, they are interesting
enough that lots of people want to hear about 'em. :-)
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megger
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Aaaah, that's where interviewing
must really come in handy. You can get more of the nuance of a story.
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mary rosenblum
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Well, by really knowing your
character, you are revealing characterization with every single sentence of
description in your story...
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because they will be colored
by your POV character's world view.
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mary rosenblum
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And you can really compromise
your characterization if you don't keep this in mind!
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mary rosenblum
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If your POV character was
bitten by a dog as a kid and is terrfied of dogs...
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but describes every dog he/she
sees accurately by breed, even the unusual breeds...
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this makes me think that this
character sounds like a dog lover, not a dog hater!
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mary rosenblum
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This is our After Hours Forum,
with me, Mary Rosenblum, your web editor and tonight we're talking about
show, don't tell. I've published seven novels and more than 60 short
stories and will do my best to answer any questions you have. If you're new
here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask a Question' button or the
'word bubble' next to the red question mark at the top of the screen in
order to ask a question. Your regular 'send' bar won't reach me! Or you can
use /ask and type your question into the regular send bar if that works
better for you..
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mary rosenblum
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You can use your characters
thoughts for some of your description.
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Kara parked the car in front
of the house and climbed out. A dump. She sniffed. Grass must be a foot
tall, shutters falling down. Typical rental shack. She waded through...
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the dusty weeds to the front
door, kicked aside a week's worth of newspapers. He was gone. For sure. She
rang the doorbell anyway, listened to the rusty buzz.
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This is filtered through
Kara's senses.
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She thinks 'a dump'. She
notices tall grass, shutters falling down, thinks rental shack.
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she notices the dust on the
weeds as she wades through 'em, hears a rusty buzz as she rings the bell.
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The reader feels as if he/she
is right there with Kara in that yard.
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Here's the narrative version.
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mary rosenblum
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Kara parked the car in front
of the old, shabby house. The paint was peeling, the shutters sagged from
the window frames and the grass was a foot tall.
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A week's worth of newspapers
littered the front step and dust coated everything. Kara went to the front
door and rang the bell.
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It buzzed with a rusty sound.
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Compare the two.
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mary rosenblum
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The narrative version includes
a few more details than does the 'show' version...
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but it lacks that sense of
being in the yard.
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We see Kara park the car. We
hear about the condition of the house. We see Kara go to the door.
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We don't have a clue what Kara
sees/hears/thinks.
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sweett
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"No, I'll stick to these
pups for awhile. They're friendly enough." Edward looked at the
Victorian statutes guarding the steps to the porch. Wrought iron benches
sat at equal distances between the six windows framed by trailing English
ivy. The front door opened as he placed his foot on the porch. A wiry
little man with a stooped frame appeared in the doorway. A few quick steps
later, he stood before Edward, his head bowed to the ground.
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mary rosenblum
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That works. It suggests to me
that Edward has just arrived at this house and is examining it. He has a
reason to examine it. Maybe he's apprehensive or curious about the man who
lives there.
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mary rosenblum
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It suggests that very human
pause we do before we actually begin an action we don't really want to do.
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mary rosenblum
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If I have to go to the
neighbor's house, knock on the door, and admit to old Mrs. Crabapple, that
it was me who threw the ball through her kitchen window and I know she's
gonna scream at me...
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I might well stand on the walk
and take a looooonnnng look at her house first. :-)
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mary rosenblum
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Since I have no idea what the
context of this might be...that is what it suggests.
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mary rosenblum
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This is another aspect of
show, don't tell, remember...
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It's number 2: What details
WOULD my character notice.
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mary rosenblum
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He COULD notice every detail
of the house.
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WILL he?
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mary rosenblum
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Yes, if he's hanging back, not
wanting to knock on that door.
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mary rosenblum
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No, if it's a familiar house
he has gone in and out of a thousand times.
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mary rosenblum
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He won't notice a thing.
Unless something is new, out of place, damaged, or he has a reason to
notice it.
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mary rosenblum
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If I come home and I've just
been looking at someone's sick and withered kiwi vine, I might notice how
luxuriant and nice mine looks...
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but otherwise, I'll probably
park the car, take the steps in one long stride and be through the door, my
mind on lunch, my new story, waht have you.
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Kiwi vine? What kiwi vine?
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The leaves brushed my hair,
but I barely felt 'em.
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mary rosenblum
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So you have to ask yourself
not only CAN my character see these details, but WOULD he notice them right
now?
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mary rosenblum
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If our man in Sweet's example
is standing on the steps of his neighbor's house and he and Mr. Brown are
longtime friends...
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this much detail will sound
very phony.
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mary rosenblum
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Why does he notice this NOW?
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mary rosenblum
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A very good writing
exercise...
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is to write down everything
you noticed when you walked into the kitchen last.
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Those are the kinds of details
people notice in a familiar space.
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sweett
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You are right Mary. . In my
example, Edward has purchased this house without ever seeing it. Elijah is
a servant in the house who he's never met. This is his first inspection of
the home.
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mary rosenblum
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And that's exactly the
impression you created with that wealth of detail, sweett..
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mary rosenblum
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When you arrive in a new
space, you see a LOT of details...
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that you never notice in
everyday traffic.
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mary rosenblum
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A great effect is when some
relative comes over and starts looking around your house and all of a
sudden you SEE those cobwebs in the vault and the dust on the top
shelves...LOL
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mary rosenblum
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YOu didn't see em yesterday!
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mary rosenblum
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And the problem that a lot of
novice writers have with this...
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mary rosenblum
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is that they have created this
cool scene and by golly, they want the reader to see it!!!
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mary rosenblum
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All of it!!!
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mary rosenblum
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And sometimes you just can't
do that.
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ashton
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And what males notice compared
to females is also different, true?
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mary rosenblum
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Oh, no kidding, ashton. :-)
That was a generally 'female' example I would say.
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mary rosenblum
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We get taught to feel
responsible for the clenliness of our homes as kids.
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mary rosenblum
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And that, by the way, is one
of the challenges of writing across gender.
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mary rosenblum
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Your POV character had better
notice what someone of that gender would notice!
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sweett
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Man! Gotta find a male reader. .
LOL
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mary rosenblum
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Don't laugh. :-) My SF writer
friend Mike Moscoe has an ongoing series with a female MC... and his wife..
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mary rosenblum
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goes through ever ms and tells
him where he messes up on POV.
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randi-lee
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I think females notice things
more than most males.
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mary rosenblum
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That's a generalization, but
it's a reasonably accurate generalization, I've found...with lots of
exceptions!
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mary rosenblum
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I am a relatively inobservant
female and I know lots of guys who are real sharp-eyes for things I miss.
:-)
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mary rosenblum
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Even things like clothes,
physical attributes, and the like. :-)
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redraven
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The writer's gender is usually
obvious - esp. in love scenes
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mary rosenblum
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Not with good writres, red.
:-)
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mary rosenblum
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There are quite a lot of
writers whose gender wouldn't be obvious at all without a name on the
cover.
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randi-lee
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Some female names are not female
writers
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mary rosenblum
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Yes, quite a few romance
writers are men.
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redraven
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Can you name one?
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mary rosenblum
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Many. Scott Card, Nancy Kress,
Greg Bear, myself, thank you very much, James Patrick Kelly...
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I could go on and on.
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mary rosenblum
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Even Mike does good female
POV, although his wife (and I at times) have to beat him up about it a bit.
:-)
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mary rosenblum
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James Tiptree Junior...one of
the most powerful voices in SF for many years...
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turned out to be a woman and
nobody knew until after her career ended.
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mary rosenblum
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She was actually Alice Sheldon
(and my aunt's best friend to my TOTAL shock).
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mary rosenblum
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It isn't hard to switch POV...
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in terms of gender...
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mary rosenblum
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it's simply a matter of paying
attention to how that gender talks and REALLY paying attention...
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mary rosenblum
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rather than grabbing at the
stereotype.
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mary rosenblum
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Actually, a lot of us writers
swap 'locker room' and 'bathroom' conversation.
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mary rosenblum
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And what does YOUR gender talk
about in the rest room?
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mary rosenblum
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That, let me tell you, is a
hoot.
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marty
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Why do writers write under a
different gender like yourself
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mary rosenblum
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I don't write under a
different gender, marty. I use my name. I AM female. :-)
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mary rosenblum
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But sometimes the story needs
male characters...I think, actually, I have probably used slightly more
male characters than female over the years...
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mary rosenblum
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I fit the character to the
story.
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redraven
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They may edit their comments
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mary rosenblum
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The restroom comments, red?
Nah. Not the writers I've swapped comments with. :-)
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mary rosenblum
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One of the exercises I
routinly use in writers workshops...
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mary rosenblum
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is to have a participant write
a scene...
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mary rosenblum
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and then rewrite the scene,
changing the POV character to the other gender.
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redraven
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are you sure?
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mary rosenblum
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Oh yes. :-)
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mary rosenblum
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This is our After Hours Forum,
with me, Mary Rosenblum, your web editor and tonight we're talking about
show, don't tell. I've published seven novels and more than 60 short
stories and will do my best to answer any questions you have. If you're new
here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask a Question' button or the
'word bubble' next to the red question mark at the top of the screen in
order to ask a question. Your regular 'send' bar won't reach me! Or you can
use /ask and type your question into the regular send bar if that works
better for you..
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cosmos
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Then you could rewrite the scene
from a dog's POV for fun!
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mary rosenblum
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Oh, I've had them do something
like that, too. :-)
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mary rosenblum
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Not quite in that
manner...gets a bit hard for most scenes. :-)
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mary rosenblum
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Actually, there's a very good
writers workshop that has been taking place on the coast twice a year...
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mary rosenblum
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and one of their exercises is
to have the participants write a love scene.
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mary rosenblum
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They then get told to rewrite
it from the other gender's POV.
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mary rosenblum
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That really gives some
participants a very hard time.
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whistlin_smithy
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Funny you'd say that. That's
exactly what my son did this morning!
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mary rosenblum
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What's that, smithy? Write
from a dog's POV?
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jmr
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Isn't how we see our
surroundings aldo based on our make up? Those who SEE things easily may be
more SENSITIVE types and need visual feedback. Those who don't notice as
much visually may be more of a thinker type, preoccupied by thoughts. Maybe
even how confident the chartacter is too... If a one feels that the
universe is centered around them, they may not notice things around them.
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mary rosenblum
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What you see and what you do
not see is entirely based on who you are...novices run into trouble..
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mary rosenblum
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when they use broad
stereotypes for characters.
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mary rosenblum
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Three male POVs or three
female POVs will all have very different ways of perceiving the world...
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mary rosenblum
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based on who they are, how
they were raised, and what they are doing in life now.
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mary rosenblum
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If you don't know how your
character perceives things, you will simply put down what YOU perceive.
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whistlin_smithy
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Yes! It was so cute.
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mary rosenblum
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Cool, smithy. I hope he did
good dog pov. :-)
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ashton
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Speaking of this...would it be
best to use innitials when writing mysteries verses your name? I've heard
before that you gain more first time readers if you they don't know your
gender. I wish I could stay but I've got dinner to fix. Night, Mary...and
thanks!
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mary rosenblum
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Well, ashton, some people will
preferentially read a man over a woman author, so if you use initials, you
fix that.
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mary rosenblum
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Some mystery writers,
especially hardboiled authors use initials...J.A.Jantz for one...
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mary rosenblum
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because the majority of
readers in that subgenre are men.
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mary rosenblum
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I figure, I'm female, I'm not
hiding it. :-)
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mary rosenblum
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And most SF readers are
men...an overwhelming majority.
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mary rosenblum
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It's entirely up to you.
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randi-lee
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I am lucky in those genres then
because most think I am male
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redraven
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My son likes both male and
female fantasy/scifi writers
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mary rosenblum
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Yeah, I haven't run into any
particular 'you're a woman, you cant write this' mentality.
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mary rosenblum
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But some of the big names in
SF are women.
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marty
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What got you interested in
writing SF
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mary rosenblum
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I think you can do more with
that genre than any other marty.
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mary rosenblum
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I'm talking good sf, not space
opera.
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mary rosenblum
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You can step people back from
reality and get them to look at things they don't see anymore with new
eyes.
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mary rosenblum
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You can make people think. :-)
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mary rosenblum
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I like making people think.
:-)
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gwanny
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so, back to show don't
tell...could you give me an example of 1rst pov describing a room they are
in, for example?
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mary rosenblum
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Sure gwanny. A familiar room
or a new room?
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gwanny
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a familiar one
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mary rosenblum
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Okay...and here's a good
exercise for that, gwanny.
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mary rosenblum
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walk into your living room,
pick up something and walk out.
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mary rosenblum
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Now, write down everything you
SAW. Quit after 30 seconds.
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mary rosenblum
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These are the details you
noticed.
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mary rosenblum
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I walked into the living room
and grabbed the phone book. Annie was on the couch again and slunk off when
I glared at her, taking the afghan with her of course. Rotten, rotten
morning.
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mary rosenblum
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I stuffed the afghan onto the
top of the piano and lugged the phone book back to the kitchen. I hate
plumbing. I hate plumbers. I hate mornings like this.
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mary rosenblum
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Not a whole lot of detail in
this scene...
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mary rosenblum
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because POV is way too busy
being ticked off at the leak or what have you...
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mary rosenblum
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and only notices the dog on
the couch and the afghan and the piano.
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redraven
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Sue walked into her kitchen.
Phew! Forgot the garbage.
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mary rosenblum
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Nice. Exactly.
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mary rosenblum
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Good use of scent and you did
NOT tell us: The reek of rotting food seeped from the garbage pail.
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mary rosenblum
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Thank you.
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gwanny
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okay, i noticed the tv is on,
the coffe tray is still on the coffee table, it's dark in there, i nearly
tripped on the dog
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mary rosenblum
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And that's about as many
details as my POV noticed when she got the phone book...if she wasn't upset
about the leak, she might have noticed more.
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mary rosenblum
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And here's a tip.
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mary rosenblum
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If you want to show us the
living room...
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mary rosenblum
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give her a reason to notice
it.
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mary rosenblum
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Company is coming and the
place is a MESS>
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mary rosenblum
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She has just visited her
sister and compares their living space.
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mary rosenblum
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Something like that.
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gwanny
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no, not sue...it's 1rst pov...I
walked into the kitchen. Phew forgot the garbage, again
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mary rosenblum
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Good.
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megger
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I didn't even notice the piano
or the phone book - only the hate of all things plumbing. It's a very
strong emotion.
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mary rosenblum
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No kidding. :-)
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randi-lee
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I don't think i could get it all
down in 30 seconds
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mary rosenblum
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You just list the details,
randi.
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mary rosenblum
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don't try to write a scene.
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mary rosenblum
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If you keep writing, you'll
simply call on long term memory to add details.
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mary rosenblum
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The ones you remember in those
first few seconds..
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mary rosenblum
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are the ones you actually
noticed. That's all.
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mary rosenblum
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It's a good exercise.
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mary rosenblum
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Do it when you're out running
errands.
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mary rosenblum
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After you leave a store or
what have you...write down a list of ten details you remember.
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mary rosenblum
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You'll start to get a sense of
how you, at least, notice your surroundings.
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t green
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Mary, this is a bit off, but
time's almost up for this forum and I want to ask if you'll do a friday
forum on Endings. Mine tend to go flat and i just got a rejection today
because of it.
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mary rosenblum
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Sure, t. How about next
Friday.
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mary rosenblum
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The problem with endings is
that they stem from the beginning. :-)
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randi-lee
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I am very observant I can
describe many people in a mall
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mary rosenblum
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That's cool.
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mary rosenblum
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And not real common, so if
your POV is that observant, you need to make a point of it so that the
reader realizes that's waht this person is like.
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mary rosenblum
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Sorry...rabbit in back yard.
Had to let the dogs out.
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mary rosenblum
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That Annie has a nose!
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sweett
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"No, I'll stick to these
pups for awhile. They're friendly enough." Edward looked at the
Victorian statutes guarding the steps to the porch. Wrought iron benches
sat at equal distances between the six windows framed by trailing English
ivy. Just like mother described the old plantations. The front door opened
as he placed his foot on the porch. A wiry little man with a stooped frame
appeared in the doorway. A few quick steps later, he stood before Edward,
his head bowed to the ground. - Does this fix the male pov problem?
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mary rosenblum
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I didn't think you had a male
POV problem, sweett.
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labtek
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I also have trouble keeping
short stories short.
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mary rosenblum
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That's a plotting issue, lab.
There's an article on the website that might help you...
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mary rosenblum
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plotting the short short
story.
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megger
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So a male name isn't enough for
a male POV?
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mary rosenblum
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Yeah, a male name makes the
gender of the POV character clear...
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mary rosenblum
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and you need to do that.
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mary rosenblum
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Especially if you are writing
first person.
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mary rosenblum
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Readers ALWAYS assign the
author's gender to the first person POV character.
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mary rosenblum
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ALWAYS.
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mary rosenblum
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If you are writing cross
gender, make that character's gender clear in paragraph one.
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mary rosenblum
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NOT an easy task!
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redraven
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What do you notice about each of
them?
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mary rosenblum
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Red, I'm not sure what you
were referring to?
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gwanny
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is show something you need to
learn to get as you write your first draft? or is it something you worry
about in the 2nd?
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mary rosenblum
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I would try to do it as much
as you can in the first draft...
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mary rosenblum
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and really focus on it in
draft two, gwanny.
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mary rosenblum
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If you don't pay any attention
to it, you'll end up doing a lot of rewriting on draft two.
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redraven
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The people in the mall
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mary rosenblum
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Ah.
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randi-lee
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I have a head hopping problem
sometimes, and I don't notice
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mary rosenblum
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You'll get better at catching
that with practice, randi.
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mary rosenblum
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actually, when you start
concentrating on show, don't tell...
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mary rosenblum
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and figuring out what the POV
can and will see in each scene...
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mary rosenblum
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it tends to keep you firmly
anchored in that particular head.
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randi-lee
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I try to restrict it to two hops
or less per chapter.
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mary rosenblum
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Well, shifting pov works fine
in novels, but most authors try to do it at chapter breaks.
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mary rosenblum
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At least do it at scene
breaks. You'd be amazed how many readers you 'unseat' when you shift POV in
the middle of a scene.
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catydorr
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mary i'll vouch for the Plotting
a short story article--it is a great one to read very clear
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mary rosenblum
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Good. Glad it worked foryou,
caty.
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randi-lee
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For 1st person you need to
anchor in only that head correct?
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mary rosenblum
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Yes.
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mary rosenblum
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You COULD do a dual first
person POV story, but those voices had better be VERY VERY different.
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mary rosenblum
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That will be very difficult to
pull off.
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mary rosenblum
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Not impossible, but hard.
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mary rosenblum
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Well, this has been a fun
oregon hour!
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mary rosenblum
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Do join us Sunday for our
casual get together here...
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mary rosenblum
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when we talk about whatever.
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mary rosenblum
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Same time as the Forum.
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mary rosenblum
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Remember...first ask yourself
what your POV CAN see, and then ask what your POV WILL see.
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mary rosenblum
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Have a great weekend all.
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