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mary rosenblum
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Hello, all!
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mary rosenblum
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I hope you've had a good week!
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mary rosenblum
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This is our After Hours Forum,
with me, Mary Rosenblum, your web editor. I've published seven novels and
more than 60 short stories and will do my best to answer any questions you
have. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask a
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mary rosenblum
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I hope you all have had a good
week, with lots of words in spite of the distractions of the summer season.
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mary rosenblum
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I wanted to talk about
narrative form tonight.
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mary rosenblum
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I know that we instructors and
a lot of books on writing really lean on novice writers for focus on 'show,
don't tell'.
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mary rosenblum
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But the does not mean that
narrative is always a bad idea.
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mary rosenblum
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There are reasons to do narrative
and there are reasons NOT to do narrative.
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mary rosenblum
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I should probably start by
making sure that we all are on the same page where 'narrative' is
concerned.
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mary rosenblum
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Narrative is when someone
narrates or tells a story.
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patchworkcat
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Is narrative where you, as the
writer, tell the story instead of the characters?
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mary rosenblum
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That's it, patch.
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mary rosenblum
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Although first person is a
narrative, too. Only there, the POV character tells the story, rather than
the author.
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mary rosenblum
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If you think of the fairy
tales...Once upon a time in a castle far away, lived a wicked witch...
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mary rosenblum
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that is narrative. The author
is telling you a bedtime story.
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shayon-joseph
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Isn't that akin to "third
person" writing as well Mary?
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mary rosenblum
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Third person narrative is the
author speaking, shayon.
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mary rosenblum
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BUT not all third person is
narrative.
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mary rosenblum
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You have limited or 'deep
penetration' third person. Omniscient third person. Cinematic third person.
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mary rosenblum
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These are not narrative.
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ccollier
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Would you call Wuthering Heights
a narrative Mary
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mary rosenblum
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Gosh, Christine, I haven't
read WH in probably 20 years! But as I recall it is. That was the 'usual
style' until quite recently.
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roe
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Egad sounds like you are going
to have to do a forum on all the third persons
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mary rosenblum
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I probably should. Most novice
writers sort of blend them all, and as when you blend all the colors in a
paintbox...you get gray.
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deb1234
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What is onmiscient third person?
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mary rosenblum
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On
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mary rosenblum
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Omniscient means 'all seeing'
deb.
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mary rosenblum
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And omniscient POV is also
known as 'beginners POV'. :-) It means you switch POV as needed...
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mary rosenblum
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so that in a single scene you
may be in Mom's POV as she thinks about how lazy Janie is, in Janie's POV
as she thinks about how mean Mom is...
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mary rosenblum
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and in Billy's POV as he
decides he's going to sneak out of the house after dinner and go fishing
wiht Robbie.
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mary rosenblum
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It effectively distances the
reader from ALL characters and is a very weak form unless the story is
highly plot driven. Then it can work just fine.
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ccollier
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It starts out with that guest
telling the entire story
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mary rosenblum
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Wuthering Heights...that's
right, I"d forgotten that! Yes, and it's actually a first person
narrative..
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mary rosenblum
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because the guest is telling
the story rather than the author. That is a good example of narrative first
person, as opposed to a direct first person, where the character seems to
be talking to us as events happen (or talking to herself) rather ...
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mary rosenblum
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than telling a story after the
fact.
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mermaid2499
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wow how do you know which one
your writing in?
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mary rosenblum
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Once you learn to identify the
forms you can write in a particular form. Most new writers, as I said, so a
sort of gray mix of omniscient, and narrative third or first.
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mary rosenblum
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Let's start with why books on
writing and LR instructors beat on new writers to 'show don't tell' rather
than do narrative.
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mary rosenblum
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It is NOT because narrative is
inherently bad. It can be stronger than a non narrative form in certain
circumstance.
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mary rosenblum
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It is because it is the
'default' for all of us when we start writing. Me, too. Every one of us
starts out doing narrative.
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mary rosenblum
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If your neighbor asks you what
happened at the block meeting, you tell her what happened.
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mary rosenblum
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It is in your voice. You're
not trying to recreate it so that she lives it...you're just telling her
about it.
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mary rosenblum
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We all start out telling
stories like the fairy tales...Once upon a time...
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mary rosenblum
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So why is this not okay?
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mary rosenblum
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Well, think about it.
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mary rosenblum
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If you find a crying child in
the park and help her find her mother who was terrified and is SO
grateful..
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mary rosenblum
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that is quite a day, full of
worry for the little girl, relief when you find mom, and of course, mom's
gratitude and the child's delight.
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mary rosenblum
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You have experienced all of
this.
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mary rosenblum
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Now if your neighbor tells you
about finding a child in the park and finding mom...
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mary rosenblum
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do you experience it? No. All
your neighbor has imparted is information. I did this, I found that, we
went over there.
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mary rosenblum
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The experience and the account
from your neighbor are not equal at all.
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mary rosenblum
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And while information is nice
to know...
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mary rosenblum
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what beguiles the reader, what
makes the story memorable, is that we LIVE it right along with our
character.
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mary rosenblum
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Haven't you ever found
yourself oblivious to the real world, lost in the world of the story,
seeing that landscape, hearing the voices of the characters? That is not
information only.
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mary rosenblum
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That is experience, much as we
experience finding that child.
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mermaid2499
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no one can see the image in your
head that you seee
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mary rosenblum
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Sure they can, mermaid. That's
your job as writer.
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mary rosenblum
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Until we develop the
telepathic hyperlink, YOU the author are responsible for seeding that
landscape into your reader's brain.
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mary rosenblum
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Now that reader's image won't
be exactly like yours...that is the power of prose...
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mary rosenblum
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each of us creates our own
universe and it is ours. It isn't quite like anyone else's.
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mary rosenblum
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But as authors we give the
readers the seed, and like a crystal growing, the reader fills in the rest
of the picture. They are similar enough that they dont jar the reader. My
MC, for example...
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mary rosenblum
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won't look quite like your
image of him, but they will be similar.
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mary rosenblum
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This is our After Hours Forum,
with me, Mary Rosenblum, your web editor. I've published seven novels and
more than 60 short stories and will do my best to answer any questions you
have. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask a Question'
button or the 'word bubble' next to the red question mark at the top of the
screen in order to ask a question. Your regular 'send' bar won't reach me!
Or you can use /ask and type your question into the regular send bar if
that works better for you..
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barbe
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Once upon a time... nothing's
happening. No moving picture
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barbe
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for the reader to see.
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mary rosenblum
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That's it, barbe.
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mary rosenblum
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It's like my neighbor telling
me about her flat tire on the way home. I don't feel anything.
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mary rosenblum
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I'm not out there on the
freeway with no shoulder, terrified that a truck will flatten me.
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mary rosenblum
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She simply tells me she was
scared.
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mermaid2499
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thats what i meant as a writer
you ahve to show the image lol
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mary rosenblum
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Exactly, mermaid.
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mary rosenblum
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So most of the time, we need
to make our readers care about the character.
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mary rosenblum
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And if the reader needs to
care about that character, narrative distances us so much from that person
that they don't become real. And therefore we really don't care.
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mermaid2499
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if you write and think of
something sad will your character be sad?
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mary rosenblum
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Mermaid, if you create a sad
character that character is sad. YOU don't need to be sad, for your
character to be sad.
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patchworkcat
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So when is narrative a good
thing?
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deb1234
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So when is 1st POV appropriate?
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mary rosenblum
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I put these up together
because I want to point out that while first person is narrative, not all
narrative is first person. :-)
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mary rosenblum
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But the reasons to use first
person and the reasons to use authorial narrative voice overlap.
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mary rosenblum
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Why would I want to tell the
story?
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mary rosenblum
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Well, if I don't want readers
to identify with the character.
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mary rosenblum
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Narrative is a good way to
handle come-uppance stories, with a negative main character who will get
his in the end.
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mary rosenblum
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It is difficult to create say,
a serial killer that we can become intimate to.
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mary rosenblum
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What is a serial killer like
on the inside?
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mary rosenblum
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I truely don't know, and I'm
not sure that many readers would believe my version of one.
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mary rosenblum
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So if I want to do a story
with a serial killer as main character, I may either let HIM narrate the
story, or I may narrate it.
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mary rosenblum
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I don't want to get too close
to this slime, and my story is meant to show the result of his actions
somehow...it's a strongly plot driven story.
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mary rosenblum
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So who should tell it, he or
I?
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mary rosenblum
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Well, here I would consider
vocabulary. He has a third grade education, he uses the F word a lot, he's
not very articulate. Nah. He'll bore readers to tears.
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mary rosenblum
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I'll let him have a little
dialogue, but no way to I let him have 20 pages!
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mary rosenblum
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I'll tell the story. And I can
use all the word power at my disposal to make the story dark, or creepy, or
suspenseful. this is a plot driven story, remember, so I can use my ...
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mary rosenblum
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language skills to really set
a strong mood and make the reader see the scene vividly.
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mary rosenblum
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I am the better choice to tell
this story.
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mary rosenblum
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But what about the runaway kid
who lives on the San Francisco streets for two years?
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mary rosenblum
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He grew up reading, he's
articulate, a thoughtful kid from a troubled past. His voice will enrich
the story. He'll tell the story with his own perspective. And his
perspective on people, cops, street folk, is different than my perspective
as the person I am...
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mary rosenblum
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so he is clearly the one to
tell the story.
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mary rosenblum
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And that is an illustration of
what you need to remember about narrative.
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mary rosenblum
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When you, the author, tell the
story, YOU ARE A CHARACTER.
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mary rosenblum
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Your voice needs to add to the
story.
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mary rosenblum
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Most narrative is done in a
gray, featureless monotone.
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mary rosenblum
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The novice author uses his/her
vocabulary and voice but invests no emotion in the story.
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mary rosenblum
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Uh uh.
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mary rosenblum
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If your voice doesn't ADD to
the story, don't use narrative.
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mary rosenblum
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If someone else's voice is
stronger than yours, let that character tell the story.
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mary rosenblum
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If nobody has a very strong
voice, use third person limited POV.
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mary rosenblum
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I use first person
infrequently and narrative voice not at all (at least to date).
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mary rosenblum
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That is simply because I am
not overly fond of narrative, and I don't do a strong narrative.
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mary rosenblum
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I can do a strong first person
narrative when I have a character with an intersting voice or perspective
on the world...
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mary rosenblum
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but if that character's voice
is not strong, if his outlook on the world does not add a lot to the story,
I don't use it.
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mary rosenblum
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Narrative is a way to tone
down horror or violence, too.
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mary rosenblum
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Remember that telling a story
isn't nearly as terrifying as the story you live through.
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rupbert
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If the reader doesn't care, he
won't continue reading?
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mary rosenblum
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Or he'll continue reading
obsessively and not read any more of your work, rupbert. You got that
right!
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mary rosenblum
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Your reader needs to care
about something...the plot is fun, she loves the character, something!
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shayon-joseph
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Mary, can you recommend a good
book I can add to my library spelling out all the different modes/voices
and POV's--that you just described?
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mary rosenblum
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Shayon, Orson Scott Card's
Character and Characterization has some good sections on POV. I can't think
of a book that deals with it exclusively.
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mary rosenblum
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Most of us, myself included,
have a preferred POV.
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mary rosenblum
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If it is first, you should
probably think hard about that.
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mary rosenblum
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If your first person character
sounds the same in three different stories, maybe you should try to improve
your third person!
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mary rosenblum
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What I see most often in both
first person and narrative stories is a bland author voice.
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mary rosenblum
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Remember, everything you do in
writing is for a reason. There IS no default...
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mary rosenblum
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but of course we all have
them. :-)
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mary rosenblum
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Learn to question your own
auto-pilot actions. What would happen if I made this a first person piece?
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mary rosenblum
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I frequently rewrite a first
scene in the other POV just to compare it.
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shayon-joseph
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Where's the cheat-sheet? LOL
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mary rosenblum
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There is one, shayon. :-) If
you did it without thinking about it...maybe you shouldn't.
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mary rosenblum
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It is WELL worth your time and
good practice, too, to try a scene for a proposed story in both first and
third POV.
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mary rosenblum
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See which one really wants to
take off.
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mary rosenblum
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Narrative is a good way to
make the reader comfortable. It IS the fairytale voice.
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mary rosenblum
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It tells the reader...'you
don't have to worry, it's just a story and nothing bad will happen to you.'
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mary rosenblum
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There are some very effective
horror stories where a nice reassuring narrative suddenly 'turns on' the
reader at the end...
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mary rosenblum
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as the narrator says, in
effect, 'ha, fooled you, the monster is right behind you!'
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bud
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Mary, Sherri Szeman's
"Mastering Point of View" is good.
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mary rosenblum
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Good, I haven't read it. Bud,
if you want to write me a review of it, I'll post it on the website. That's
a publication clip, hint hint.
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deb1234
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I've had a paranormal
experience. Is it better to do the story in 1st or 3ed? eg: I don't know
what I saw. If I did I wouldn't be so upset. Or: She paced the room, unsure
of how to proceed. Well she started. She had to finsh now that she had his
attention. Both are the beginning of telling the husband what she'd seen.
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mary rosenblum
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It's hard to judge from a
short sample like this, but think about the story as a whole.
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mary rosenblum
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Are you going to want to show
the reader a lot of visuals?
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mary rosenblum
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Third person works better for
visuals than a first person narrative. Author narrative works better for
visuals than even third, but you lose character identification. I wouldn't
do it here.
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deb1234
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Yes
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mary rosenblum
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More visuals than thought tend
to suggest third, deb.
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mary rosenblum
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I find that I use first when I
have a very inward-focused character and not a lot of action.
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mary rosenblum
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My next story in Asimov's,
"Skin Deep' is first person for that reason. Most of what goes on
takes place in a single room.
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mary rosenblum
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Since a lot of the story would
have been thought and visuals weren't a big addition, first person with an
interesting voice, added to the story.
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shayon-joseph
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I've always thought, once one
commits to a POV or narrative voice, you have to stay in it for the
duration of story---easier on the reader?
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mary rosenblum
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Absolutely, Shayon.
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mary rosenblum
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Changing voice is a major jar.
If you are going to change from first to third person...
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mary rosenblum
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you need to make that big jolt
an addition to the story, not a subtraction. And it can work.
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mary rosenblum
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Now POV you can change, but it
distances your readers from the characters when you switch POV.
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mary rosenblum
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So it tends to be effective in
stronly plot driven stories where we don't have to get very intimate with
the characters or care a lot about them.
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mary rosenblum
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Most books on writing will
tell you to stick to a single POV for a short story.
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mary rosenblum
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That's a good rule of thumb.
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mary rosenblum
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But multiple POV can work.
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mary rosenblum
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Just because they CAN work
does not mean they WILL work for your story just because you want 'em to.
:-)
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roe
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romance is the only thing I've
read that had more than one pov that I liked
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mary rosenblum
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Well...taking a deep breath
because the Romance readers here about about to throw stones at me......
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mary rosenblum
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most of the Romance characters
I have read have fairly shallow as characters go.
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mary rosenblum
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AND we're talking novel here,
right?
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mary rosenblum
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It is actually better to have
more than a single POV in your novel, if you're doing third person.
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mermaid2499
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thats not writing thats umm
playing on paper
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mary rosenblum
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Well, yes, and playing is fun.
I am not dissing Romance, understand, but it has a very well defined
formula and it works very well within that formula.
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mary rosenblum
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I have nothing against writing
it. Except that I don't do it well! LOL
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mermaid2499
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i agree i read it for fun
..writing is umm interesting
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mary rosenblum
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It is fun. I read 'em once in
awhile.
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mary rosenblum
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So narrative can add several
things to a story
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mary rosenblum
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You have your language...which
is probably better than that of your characters.
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mary rosenblum
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You have the ability to 'tone
down' extremes with a little reassuring 'this is a story' voice.
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mary rosenblum
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and you can present us with
characters that none of us want to understand too well or get too intimate
with.
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roe
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Well, it might be playing, but
I'd like to play with the numbers Nora Roberts has LOL
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mary rosenblum
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No kidding!
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mary rosenblum
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Believe me, if I wasn't
running this website and teaching for LR, I'd be busting my behind to
establish myself in the Romance market!
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mary rosenblum
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For those of you who don't
know..Nora Roberts makes quite a bit more money than Stephen King.
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mary rosenblum
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Whta you don't want to do is
to simply use narrative by accident.
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mary rosenblum
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Which brings us to the
question that somebody is about to ask, I know it...
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mary rosenblum
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what is the difference between
narrative third person and limited third person.
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mary rosenblum
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Someone want to volunteer a
short paragraph with a character doing something? You can send it in
pieces.
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lilithangel
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Is narrative omniscient and
limited not?
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mary rosenblum
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No.Omniscient POV isn't
narrative at all.
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mary rosenblum
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It is the story shown through
multiple POVs...everybody in other words.
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mary rosenblum
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Narrative third person is the
author telling the story.
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roe
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Susan curled her hair. The
mirror's reflection showed her tanned skin. Exciment gleamed in her eyes.
Tongiht was the night of the big dance and Luke was going to be there
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mary rosenblum
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That's good, roe. I can make
it more clearly through Susan's POV, but it's sort of a mix of narrative
and limited now.
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mary rosenblum
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Do it this way. Plop yourself
into Susan's head. What is SHE aware of? How does she perceive these
things?
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mary rosenblum
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Darn that wispy front hair.
She wound the strand around the iron for a third time. Gonna get it cut
short and to heck with Mom. She tilted her head, made Madonna lips in the
mirror. Giggled.
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mary rosenblum
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Hey, at least she had a good
tan. Luke was gonna drool when he saw the dress. No straps. She couldn't
believe Mom let her buy it, but I guess Prom meant something to her.
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mary rosenblum
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Okay, what I did was put all
those little visuals into her perspective..except the eyes. When WAS the
last time you looked at yourself and thought...excitement is dancing in my
eyes!
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mary rosenblum
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Well, I could have had her
think... Her eyes looked really blue tonight.
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mary rosenblum
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Or something like that, but it
felt like too much so I left it out.
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mary rosenblum
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We are listening in on her
thoughts here, so we figure out for ourselves, eavesdroppers that we are,
that her hair is hard to curl, that she has a good tan and Luke is probably
her boyfriend.
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mary rosenblum
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She's going to the prom and
she likes Madonna enough to emulate her when he pouts in the mirror.
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mary rosenblum
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The trick is to ask
yourself...how would she say this, think this, perceive this. And use HER
words, not yours.
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mary rosenblum
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She isn't going to think: The
mirror's reflection shows my tan skin.
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mary rosenblum
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She's more likely to think.
Oooh, nice tan. Glad I spent yesterday at the pool.
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mary rosenblum
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But in both cases we see her
tan skin.
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wildcountryca
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hoping she will look good enough
to dazzle Luke? now was the time to be put together just perfectly, she was
going to get her man!
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mary rosenblum
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That works, Ask yourself
though...would she think..Now is the night to get my man?
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mary rosenblum
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Or would she use other words?
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mary rosenblum
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Remember...the key to that
limited third and GOOD characterization is use ONLY the character's words.
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roe
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so would my example be third
person narrative?
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mary rosenblum
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Yes, it is, roe.
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mary rosenblum
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It's good narrative, but what
narrative does is move us back to the seats in the theater.
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mary rosenblum
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We are outside the scene,
noticing how her tan shoulders reflect in the mirror and how her eyes
sparkle.
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barbe
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Did you not move in AND out of
her head, though, when you
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barbe
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wrote, "She tilted her
head..." etc. Is this a combination
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mary rosenblum
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Well, you have to fudge a bit,
barbe, since you also need to let the reader see the scene.
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mary rosenblum
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She would feel her head tilt,
but wouldn't think about it at all, unless her neck hurt!
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mary rosenblum
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So you sneak in visuals like
that, but immerse them in as much of the character's thoughts and
perceptions as you can, and readers don't notice 'em.
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mary rosenblum
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Let me do a really strongly
narrative piece here for contrast.
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mary rosenblum
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This is our After Hours Forum,
with me, Mary Rosenblum, your web editor. I've published seven novels and
more than 60 short stories and will do my best to answer any questions you
have. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask a
Question' button or the 'word bubble' next to the red question mark at the
top of the screen in order to ask a question. Your regular 'send' bar won't
reach me! Or you can use /ask and type your question into the regular send
bar if that works better for you..
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mary rosenblum
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Susan curled her lovely golden
hair. The mirror reflected her smooth, tan skin and her supple figure. She
was an athletic girl, a cheerleader, and the captain of the gynastics team.
He eyes sparked with excitement as she thought of the dance. Her boyfriend
Luke was taking her.
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wildcountryca
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so would you sneak "tiltiling
her head, she continued brushing her hair? or something like that?
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mary rosenblum
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I'd probably try to put that
'brushing her hair' strongly into her perception in order to mask that
tilting her head, wild. Something like, tilting her head, she stroked the
brush though her hair one last time. Perfect.
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mary rosenblum
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Okay in the above example, I
am telling you everything. This is much more narrative than roe's example.
Roe didn't tell us anything intentionally as Author, but here, I do.
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mary rosenblum
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I tell readers that she is
captain of the gynmastics team and a cheerleader.
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mary rosenblum
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I am telling you backstory.
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roe
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so by adding her thoughts we
make her come alive
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mary rosenblum
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Yes, roe, it helps. It allows
you to convert that narrative back story into something that seems to the
reader to be the character 'showing' us.
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mary rosenblum
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You could find a reason for
her to think of the cheerleaders she knows, or about the gymnastics
tournament next week...
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mary rosenblum
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and we'd know she's a
cheerleader and at least on the team.
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wildcountryca
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so backstory fills in the gaps
and gives the reader more reason to continue?
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mary rosenblum
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backstory, plopped in by the
author as I did above, reminds the reader shaply that they are NOT living
the story. Not a good idea.
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mary rosenblum
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Let the character tell the
back story through actions, conversation, or thought.
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mary rosenblum
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I want my readers so caught up
in the story that they'd jump out of their skin if you tiptoed up and said
'boo'.
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mary rosenblum
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IT is very usual for novice
writers to simply tell us all the back story they think we need to know...
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mary rosenblum
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and we usually need to know
far less than they tell us.
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mary rosenblum
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But with a little ingenuity,
you can get your character to reveal it.
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mary rosenblum
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Now if you do narrative
intentionally, then you need to work at making it strong as much as you
need to work at making other characters strong.
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mary rosenblum
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A lot of the well known
personal narrative and humor writers have GREAT narrative voices.
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mary rosenblum
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Patrick Mcmanus...who can
reduce me to having an accident, I'm laughing so hard....or Bailey White.
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mary rosenblum
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I have picked up something by
her and recognized who wrote it before I ever looked at the by line.
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mary rosenblum
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A strong narrative voice can
be a powerful strength for you as a write.
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mary rosenblum
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writer...
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mary rosenblum
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But a bland, monotone
narrative voice isn't going to help the piece at all.
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mary rosenblum
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In that case, you're better
off with first or third person limited POVs.
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mary rosenblum
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So avoid narrative form unless
you need to use it and it will help your story.
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mary rosenblum
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Otherwise stick to first or
third POV.
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mary rosenblum
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Don't let it be your default.
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mary rosenblum
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And for a really good limited
third person..keep asking yourself..how would he say this? How would he
describe this? What would he feel, see, smell, hear right now?
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wildcountryca
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because I did come in late then,
could you please if everyone doesn't mind explain to me good narative
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mary rosenblum
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It's kind of a long
explanation, wild, but I'll be posting the transcript in a couple of
minutes, and you can go back and read the examples and explantations.
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mary rosenblum
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Basically, there are times
when narrative is useful, but it should only be used when it adds to the
story....
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mary rosenblum
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not because it is habit.
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mary rosenblum
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I'll do a Forum on Point of
View...all of them!
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mary rosenblum
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I know a lot of people get
confused over all the various thirds... and there are two different firsts,
too.
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wildcountryca
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thanks, I am finding all of this
difficult and wonder if I will ever get it...I appreciate the help though
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mary rosenblum
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YOu know, that is always the
thing to be wary of when you take courses, or listen to writers teach
craft...
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mary rosenblum
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it can just seem so
overwhelming. But you know...you learn one new thing at a time...
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mary rosenblum
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and your skill in writing
improves by 'quantum leaps'.
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mary rosenblum
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One day you'll sit down to
work on a scene and all of a sudden..you've got it!
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mary rosenblum
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Limited third! Really DEEP
limited third!
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mary rosenblum
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I can still remember many of
those 'aha' moments...
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mary rosenblum
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as I finally 'got' good
dialogue and finally wrote a scene that was really tight!
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mary rosenblum
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Part of the reason that I
repeat topics here, is that you can hear the 'how to' quite a few times
before you 'get' it. But you will. Don't worry.
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shayon-joseph
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We've talked about 1st and 3rd
person....is there such a thing as 2nd person, Mary?
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mary rosenblum
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Sure. Ever read 'choose your
own adventure' books? LOL " YOu walk down the hall. There are two
doors , you must choose the left or the right, which one do you choose?
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roe
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As the saying goes, these things
take time. LOL
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mary rosenblum
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Oh they do, but you now what?
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mary rosenblum
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I have graduated quite a few
students for LR and in every case, the improvement from Assignment One to
the final assignment was really impressive
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mary rosenblum
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Even in some people who
started with limited skills.
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mary rosenblum
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You get better with every word
you write, but YOU can't see it because it's a continuous process.
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mary rosenblum
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When you look back at
something you wrote a year ago...THEN you see it!
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mary rosenblum
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Well, my dogs are staring at
me with that 'Your time is up' look. LOL. Time to go take 'em for their
run. I'll post the transcript in Writing Craft: Forum Transcripts.
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mary rosenblum
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And if it makes you all feel
better...
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mary rosenblum
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I was obtuse when it came to
limited third when I stared. Orson Scott Card tried for a week to teach me
how to do it and finally gave up. :-)
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mary rosenblum
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I do it very well now, thank
you.
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wildcountryca
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I actually sent a poem to a
publisher the other night just to see what will happen lol
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mary rosenblum
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Good for you, wild!
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barbe
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Thanks, Mary. A very helpful
class. Looking forward to
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barbe
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the multiple POVs class...
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mary rosenblum
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I'll do an article on it for
the website, too, as a companion for the Forum.
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mary rosenblum
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It's something a lot of
beginners struggle with!
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mary rosenblum
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See you all for our open chat
on Sunday
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mary rosenblum
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Same time as this...an
everything goes sort of conversation.
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mary rosenblum
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See you Sunday!
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mary rosenblum
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Bye all!
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