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Idea Workshop 4/25/06

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Tue Apr 25 12:07:59 2006

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Tue Apr 25 13:38:48 2006



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mary rosenblum

Hello all

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Welcome to our Tuesday forum.

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This is the Tuesday Forum with me Mary Rosenblum LR Web Editor, fiction and nonfiction writer. We're workshopping story ideas. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the Ask a Question button or the word bubble next to the red question mark at the top of the screen, or use the ask a question icon in order to ask a question. Your regular send bar won't reach me! You can also type /ask in front of your question in your regular send bar to reach me.

mary rosenblum

I hope you're all having a good week.

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I've got ewe in labor even as we speak, so I'm anticipating new lambs later today. Spring is definitely here.

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Last Friday at our After Hours forum, we talked about generating a novel plot from a rough concept...

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and we really ran over our 'long' hour with ideas from the audience.

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So I thought it was worth doing another little 'hands on' workshop...

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where you can toss an idea up here and we'll see how many stories of what length we can get out of it.

beryl

You hit my heart...I love lambs from live to ceramic. Congrats

mary rosenblum

Ah, I have some real cuties, beryl.

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I'll have to see if I can get some digital snaps and post 'em to my blog.

geezer

People caught in 1906 San Francisco Earthquake

mary rosenblum

Oh, that's a lovely broad topic, geeze...

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and you could come up with hundreds of stories from it.

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What you have here is a powerful setting that will directly influence the characters...

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And as you vary your characters, you vary your stories.

mary rosenblum

In this type of story generation, you can create characters with an internal conflict...

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and then combine those characters with the cataclysm of the earthquavck

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Ideally the external pressure of the earthquake will bring your internal conflict to a climax.

andi

looking for their families praying their alive

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That's one. You could have a character who had a conflict with someone in his/her life...

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parent, sibling, what have you.

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And as they search through the rubble and struggle to help survivors, they resolve that conflict.

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That's a short story plot.

geezer

POVs A fireman, his sweetheart, corrupt official, lost child

mary rosenblum

Oh, lots of potential, from a murdery mystery to a love story to a fast paced thriller type read...

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you name it.

tory

Add that convicts escaped, lots of new potential

mary rosenblum

Yes...our firefighter might find an unexpected ally, where the corrupt politician simply takes care of himself.

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This is the Tuesday Forum with me Mary Rosenblum LR Web Editor, fiction and nonfiction writer. We're workshopping story ideas. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the Ask a Question button or the word bubble next to the red question mark at the top of the screen, or use the ask a question icon in order to ask a question. Your regular send bar won't reach me! You can also type /ask in front of your question in your regular send bar to reach me.

info

I've been pondering on making y characters more real. I have been wondering, what if my characters don't give me much information to work with? How much of me do I put into a character without them becoming me and still tell their own adventure?

mary rosenblum

Info, you need to be careful about falling into the 'my characters are real' trap.

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Yes, you want to MAKE them real, but you have the final power over who they are.

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They really don't have the self will to tell you or refuse to tell you anything. :-) To me it sounds more like a metaphor for 'I haven't figure out who my characters are yet'...

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and that's a valid reason to hold off.

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I don't generally start writing something until that character really 'feels' real to me.

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It's not because he/she hasn't TOLD me enough...it's because I just haven't thought that person through enough..

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to feel real to me. I have to invent more past for this person, more experiences in his/her childhood or early years...

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to make that person seem autonomous.

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Why not make up some childhood or early scenes...pivotal moments in your character's past?

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The more you know about that character's past, the more you'll know about that person now.

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You can even write some scenes out if you want. That's good practice. :-) Whether you do it as an assignment or just for your own benefit. ;-)

janecj333

What about this fireman singles him out from all other firemen caught in thr quake? What makes him worthy of being a mc in a novel??

mary rosenblum

But that's YOUR job, Jane.

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All you do is put the camera on him and make him real.

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Then he's worthy of being in your novel.

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That's what characterization is all about.

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Taking the reader beyond the label.

geezer

Convicts go to bank where sweetheart is take her and politician hostage

mary rosenblum

That's a nice action plot, geeze...

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and if you wanted to keep the earthquake theme, the quake happens in the middle of the standoff. :-) Of course the hour was a bit...

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wrong for business hours. You'd have to figure a way around that.

paminnapa

A futuristic story...criminals are banished to islands or planets....(CA had a major earthquake and separated into an island...) an attorny who put all the criminals there gets framed for being to close to something and ends up working with Josh an ex police framed for coming to close to the same thing.....they have to work together to stay alive ....

mary rosenblum

That could work, Pam. I've seen some stories along that line...

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I would make sure you create a world where the practice of doing this makes sense...

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if you just state it as background, it's probably not going to fly.

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But figure out how we got THERE from here, and make it clear to the reader, and it can work.

janecj333

ok...he suspects that he has leprosy (caught while growing up in India) and that it will end his career, and hasn't told anyone, esp his wife

mary rosenblum

That's certainly a strong personal conflict...and a real one in that day, before we understood leprosy.

janecj333

he avoids touching people for fear of spreading the disease...

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It would have to be a recent appearance of skin lesions.

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You could also simply make him a real person with a marriage that is on the brink of falling apart.

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Even something that mundane, handled powerfully with real people, is a compelling internal conflict...

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that when coupled with the strong external conflict of the quake and everything happening...

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could make a very powerful short story or even a novel.

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Although for the novel you'd have to add major subplots, all converging on that earthquake

janecj333

why is his marriage falling apart? something he has done, or his wife's betrayal, a child's death in an accident and they blame each other

mary rosenblum

Could be any of those. :-) That's all part of developing your character and all would work...

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the child's death would be particularly powerful, since he's going to see many children die or at risk in the aftermath of the quake.

geezer

There were gas mains burning and they found that do to curruption the was no water to fight the fires

mary rosenblum

There would be another compelling plot component.

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You could end up giving the firefighter the opportunity to kill the corrupt politician or let him die...

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and his choice would be a powerful climax to the story, whichever choice he made...

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and his choice would depend on the character you created.

paminnapa

something i just started working on last week...will it work?

mary rosenblum

Your future story has good potential, pam, if you create a believable future world.

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(Sorry, I missed this when I posted your idea).

mary rosenblum

Just be careful not to transplant 2006 to the future and add in the 'all criminals to the island'.

janecj333

Raymond Carver did well with the mundane, but it seems as if commercial fiction dominates the bookstores

mary rosenblum

Raymond Carver wrote commercial fiction in his day, jane.

mephistopheles

Mary there is a law in Japan that says a criminal if not caught for murder in (now 25 years) was 10 years, is free and clear of committing the murder, so perhaps that can be worked into the story line?

mary rosenblum

That's an interesting law, mephis.

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Nothing like coming face to face with the murderer of your loved one who managed to escape justice for...

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the requisite time. Would create a very powerful point of conflict, that's for sure.

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We do have something similar for many crimes...the statute of limitations.

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This is the Tuesday Forum with me Mary Rosenblum LR Web Editor, fiction and nonfiction writer. We're workshopping story ideas. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the Ask a Question button or the word bubble next to the red question mark at the top of the screen, or use the ask a question icon in order to ask a question. Your regular send bar won't reach me! You can also type /ask in front of your question in your regular send bar to reach me.

janecj333

There has to be a reason for criminals to be banished. Their families want to visit them, and banishment makes it very complicated. Is a new rehabilitation technique being tried on them, something no one wants leaked?

mary rosenblum

Exactly, jane. That's the kind of thing you have to think through in SF.

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What editors mostly see is the current day moved forward into the future with one change added in...

mephistopheles

I have thought about using that law in a few short stories or perhaps a novel, but have not really figured out how to begin the story should I begin with the murder or the profile of the killers mind before he/she commits the murder?

mary rosenblum

That depends on what you want to do with it, mephis.

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This is one where I'd decide what climax/resolution I was after.

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Is it the confrontation with the victim or victim's family?

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Is it the change in the criminal over time?

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I think your central conflict/resolution will determine where you begin here..

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as will your POV choice.

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Will it be the criminal? Will it be a victim? Victim's family? Cop or ex cop?

dwkav

Maybe it's as simple as there's no more room for prisons. They had to be moved to make room for housing developments, business parks, etc.

mary rosenblum

That could be, but again, think of reality here. (I know, SF isn't REAL, but it's based on extrapolated reality, unlike fantasy...well the good stuff is).

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If the planet is SO full that there is NO space left, how do we all eat?

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What do we do with our garbage?

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Pollution?

mephistopheles

I keep thinking of "Silence of the Lamb" and how it began with the murder in prison/psychiatric and being interviewed by a profiler to better understand the criminal mind. I don't want to copy that beginning so I feel like I need to start with the murder first and then the profiling and backhistory filling in some of the gaps up to the killings.

mary rosenblum

You could do that mephis. That's a form that works well, when the payoff for the reader is not...

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the murder itself but rather the mind of the criminal or a possible future victim...

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or just seeing how the tangled web gets woven.

janecj333

When you mention moving a sf story forward, you're describing a story without a well-developed milieu...a house dropped in a mundane Oz

mary rosenblum

Yes, and while you find examples of that in SF, they tend to...for the most part...be rather weak and unimpressive stories.

mary rosenblum

Sometimes not, when the author has a much stronger point to make...

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look at Ray Bradbury's fifties suburbs on Mars.

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He had NO intention whatsoever of extrapolating the future... he was using metaphor and had no interest in any kind of reality, and they...

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would probably be classed as American literature if he hadn't published in SF, alas.

mephistopheles

thanks that helps me a lot, I am venturing into mystery for the first time.

mary rosenblum

Cool, meph.

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Actually you can find quite a few examples in mystery of stories where we see the crime at the start...

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and know from the beginning who did what to whom. The strength of the story...

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involves the unraveling of the crime by those involved.

janecj333

Maybe a private company has contracted to test new vaccines on the criminals. As long as they're on another planet, the relatives won't know they died of horrible complications to the experiment.

mary rosenblum

You could do that, but you'd need to postulate a government that could pull that off without any public attention or outcry.

mary rosenblum

That implies pretty tight media control. But that's very doable.

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This is the Tuesday Forum with me Mary Rosenblum LR Web Editor, fiction and nonfiction writer. We're workshopping story ideas. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the Ask a Question button or the word bubble next to the red question mark at the top of the screen, or use the ask a question icon in order to ask a question. Your regular send bar won't reach me! You can also type /ask in front of your question in your regular send bar to reach me.

andi

my mc was a model and left to go home to take care of her father. i wouldn't need to say too much about that do i

mary rosenblum

Yeah, you would, andi.

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There's a lot of potential here in a lot of ways.

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Why did she become a model? What does it mean to her?

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What was her relationship to Dad?

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Has her modeling career changed the values she was brought up with?

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How does she feel about giving up that career, the fame, the attention...

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to become an unpaid nurse?

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What future is waiting for her?

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Can she return to the youth- and trend- obsessed modeling world after Dad or will she be too old or out of fashion?

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In other word, what is she sacrificing, is she doing it willingly, how did she feel about Dad before, how...

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does she feel about him now, and how will she feel about him by the end of the story?

mary rosenblum

There is a LOT there to sort out.

mary rosenblum

And as with most stories...your character will determine the nature of this story.

mary rosenblum

Take fifty people and you'll have fifty different stories here!

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What I"m saying is that his is a rich little canvas, and you can paint a bunch of very different pictures.

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That's a magic key to fiction.

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Change the character and you have changed the story.

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And here's a little litmus test...

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if you can change the character and the story does NOT change...

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your character is probably a plot puppet.

mary rosenblum

This is the Tuesday Forum with me Mary Rosenblum LR Web Editor, fiction and nonfiction writer. We're workshopping story ideas. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the Ask a Question button or the word bubble next to the red question mark at the top of the screen, or use the ask a question icon in order to ask a question. Your regular send bar won't reach me! You can also type /ask in front of your question in your regular send bar to reach me.

mary rosenblum

YOur story has all that potential, too, Pam.

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Depending on who your characters are, their relationship and their actions..

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can be very different even in that powerful setting of the prison island.

mary rosenblum

Hmmm...Pam, you know you have the potential there for the SFnal 'Lord of the Flies.'. :-)

mary rosenblum

One valuable exercise when you're first coming up with a story idea...

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is to think of the story in terms of two or three very different characters.

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See if one of those character types doesn't suddenly galvanize that story to a new...

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plain of energy.

janecj333

So if you replace your altruistic character with a greedy politician, the story falls apart because his actions don't ring true anymore

mary rosenblum

Well, the story might not fall apart, depending on what you do with that character.

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Remember, even if you're going to make your MC a greedy politician...

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he needs to be a real character. And real people have complex reasons for doing everything they do...

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even if it's being greedy and stealing from the public.

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It's hard to think beyond the stereotype with that sort of character...

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but if you can do that, then you have a powerful character even if readers may not approve of him.

andi

thank you Mary You gave me a lot to thank about and work out. It's going to be a time travel story

mary rosenblum

Interesting, Andi. In the Romance genre? Time travel romance seems to be a big hit. :-)

andi

yes. i thought i'd try that. i read a lot of time travel romance.

mary rosenblum

Oh good, Andi.

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It's always a good idea to write what you read. :-0

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-)

janecj333

I am wondering who could best tell Pam's story...the detective, the detective's ally, or maybe someone inside the prison, a doctor who doesn't agree, a prisoner with capability to act , or maybe a relative who finds out about the conspiracy from coded letters home

mary rosenblum

Good question.

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I know I usually try out my story ideas through different POVs to see which one 'clicks' for me.

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Usually, one seems to be the best choice to carry the story.

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And sometimes, you discover after you begin that another character actually has a larger stake in this story...

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than you thought.

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That person may work better as your POV.

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Don't be afraid to play around with stories before you write them...whether they're short or novels.

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Twist them, tug at them, turn them upside down.

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It's so much easier to switch POV characters at this point...

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then AFTER you've written the first 100 pages of your novel! LOL

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I had originally intended a different main POV for my current novel...but he didn't work...

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because I needed more involvement outside of his sphere of influence.

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So I used a different character as my main, and he's a very strong secondary.

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One of the most important things you learn as you write, and one of those bits of knowledge that divides amateur from pro...

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is the ability to see stories as mutable, to make BIG changes.

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Most of us, when we start, come up with a story and stubbornly stick to it.

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I did it, too. :-)

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Later on, you realize that it's not THIS story that counts, it's STORY.

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And it becomes easier to make big changes so that you end up with a powerful story.

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Rather than a more polished version of THIS story.

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One of the exercises I use in some writing workshops is to ask participants to write a short short story...

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and then I have them do the story over again through the POV of another character in that story (of my choosing. :-))

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It's a VERY good exercise.

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Generally when you shift characters, you change the entire focus of the story...

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because of course now you have a different internal conflict to be resolved.

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Your new POV has his/her own interests, agenda, personal issues.

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Next time you're not happy with a story...try switching POV to other characters and see if that doesn't help it.

mary rosenblum

Anyone else have an idea you want to play with?

beryl

I've read novels where the story reads well, good conflicts, but as the author pulls the story together there isn't enough resolution to a conflict or two. Wouldn't it be better to save those conflicts for a different story even though they work well at the beginning?

mary rosenblum

Could be, beryl, or simply to resolve them. Alas, not all published books are shining examples of powerful prose. Wish it were so.

info

when working on a story idea and character creation, is it better to develop just one character or three or four if you have then to create?

mary rosenblum

I tend to develop all my major characters pretty fully, info. That helps me be sure I have the right MC for the story.

heal

Yes a child loosing parents and sibling to flue epidemic

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That could be a powerful one, heal.

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You have the setting...is the Spanish flu or a near future avian flu? How does that child survive...

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what people does he/she meet and how to they help shape the adult this child will become?

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That could be a VERY strong character story and you have a lovely empty stage that...

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you could populate with a host of richly drawn characters.

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That story will depend entirely on whom your POV meets and what their interactions are like.

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I do suggest that you might decide for yourself where you want to take this...

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how you want it to end.

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THat will help you choose the characters and events to fill in between.

paminnapa

with todays society is it better to have a strong female MC or does it matter?

mary rosenblum

OH, sigh.

mary rosenblum

You know, this is a bit of a complex answer.

mary rosenblum

I started writing SF because I couldn't find any to read that had a decent woman POV.

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But I would be lying to you if I said that in general, a female POV will get you more readers than a male in any genre except romance.

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That said, I more often than not write female POV, but not exclusively..

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but then again, I have never written with sales or the market in mind. I write what I want to write.

mary rosenblum

You're not going to lose huge numbers of sales if you use a female POV, but in many genres it will affect you.

mary rosenblum

Mystery and, sigh, SF being two.

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Thriller, also.

mary rosenblum

That's still a very male-reader dominated genre.

tory

I read that even in children's lit (or TV) girls will read/watch stories with male or female leads, boys will not. Seems that goes on into adulthood.

geezer

In my library, the men treat anything that smacks of romance or has a Libber for the MC as toxic waste.

mary rosenblum

Yeah, it's still a reality. WHich is why some writers use their initials instead of that female first name.

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S'why I don't use initials, btw. :-)

geezer

Astronauts bring a virus back from Mars

mary rosenblum

Here you have a powerful plot that's probably going to drive the story, geeze...

mary rosenblum

you're going to have to deal with that virus.

mary rosenblum

Your characters will determine what we get to see...is your MC a scientist, one of the astronauts, someone not part of the space program at all?

mary rosenblum

But this is one where it's probably going to work as a plot driven story. Your characters will determine what aspect of that virus's effects we see.

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If you want to get into the science and maybe the tech behind the trip, use the scientist or astronaut...

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if you want to explore the social aftermath of the virus's effects, pick a regular citizen...maybe a relation of the scientist or astronaut? (That way..

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you can keep us in touch with the science as needed).

janecj333

Maybe the virus is the main character :)

mary rosenblum

Well, in effect it is, if the virus-attack plot drives the story. :-)

speckledorf

I have a very pregnant mc getting an envelope out of a rusty mailbox beside a dusty dirt road. Any ideas what in the mail and why she is alone?

geezer

Or the sleezy politicians that wouldn't give them the cash to make safrguards. :-)

mary rosenblum

Yeah, that's another aspect. Gonna be negative MCs, but you might come up with a MC that has a connection to one of those politicians somehow.

mary rosenblum

Wow, speck, that's another blank canvas waiting for a host of stories. :-)

mary rosenblum

One of my favorite writing exercises for myself, is to pick up interesting cards at card shops...

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shuffle them, deal one out, and then use it to inspire a story. This is like one of those cards!

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Your answers to those questions are entirely going to determine this story.

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Might be a letter from a brother she never knew she had...she was an only child...

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and it leads her into family history that suddenly makes strange complications in her life make sense...

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and maybe involves her in a much larger plot, should you want to go that way.

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Could be the letter that informs her her hubby is not coming home, he's found the love of his life...

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and suddenly her safe and orderly world of wife and mother is shattered.

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Could be a letter stamped 'found in empty mailbag' addressed to a resident who...

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lived in the house before her that propels her into a crime committed...

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years ago and never solved.

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How's that for starters? See why it's such a fun game? Snatch up those interesting cards next time you notice them.

geezer

the virus got her husband. The mail is an offer to come to her aunt

mary rosenblum

There you go. :-) The near future version.

andi

a runaway dog going home again

mary rosenblum

Well, you could do that from the dog's POV (realizing that Incredible Journey is breathing down the back of your neck!)

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Or connect that dog to a runaway kid...

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and resolve both their stories.

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Maybe the dog finds his way home and the kid is following...

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and the dog's owner is the right one to give that kid a home.

beryl

Letter says that she doesn't qualify for any financial help and husband had a dibilitating accident on their little farm and is in the hospital.

mary rosenblum

That's a good 'personal tragedy' mainstream story.

mary rosenblum

We can follow her as she goes from housewife who lived in the protective shadow of her husband...

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to a woman with a profitable store who supports them both, watching her confront obstacle after obstacle.

geezer

Dog meets up with a homeless Viet vet. Brings him some warmth and humanity

mary rosenblum

That's another good version.

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YOu could focus on just the pair, or ultimately connect them up with the dog's owner.

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Maybe the wanderer, in the process of trying to take care of the dog, finds a new grip on life.

beryl

Viet. vet finds the owner is a single, lonely woman overcoming a series of hardtimes and ....

mary rosenblum

Yep...that could turn into a nice little romance.

andi

i wrote one of a dog going home for an assignment but that dog was left behind by his owners when they were camping.

mary rosenblum

Did you try it with Dog and Kennel magazine, andi?

mary rosenblum

One of my students sold a 'lost dog' story he wrote for an assignment there.

andi

no think they would take it

mary rosenblum

You'll find out if you send it to 'em. :-)

andi

okay i will

mary rosenblum

Good!

mary rosenblum

Well, this has been fun.

mary rosenblum

You all came up with some great ideas.

mary rosenblum

Try the card game thing.

mary rosenblum

I have a big box of those cards...

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I add to it whenever I notice something eye catchin.

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And I've published several stories that had their origins in that box.

geezer

Is there a lamb yet?

mary rosenblum

Hang on...let me grab the binocs and look. :-)

mary rosenblum

Yep.

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At least one... Just standing up.

tory

Mary You mean greeting cards?

mary rosenblum

Yeah, the kind you find in card shops...not holiday cards...

tory

Mary, do the sheep need assistance giving birth?

mary rosenblum

Sometimes. I've been a local sheep and goat midwife for over 25 years. :-)

mary rosenblum

I've pulled LOTS of kids and lambs.

geezer

Hey! Congratulations!

mary rosenblum

Yeah, I've been waiting for that girl to lamb for two days now! Talk about the watched pot!

beryl

Takes me back to a great moment, I was bottle feeding a lamb that stop feeding long enough to kiss my nose :-) I could have died happy right then.

mary rosenblum

They will indeed kiss your nose! LOL

mary rosenblum

Got to go see if I've got a ewe or a ram...a friend of mine is taking the ewe lambs this year to start her flock.

mary rosenblum

See you all tomorrow for our casual chat.

mary rosenblum

Same time and place.

mary rosenblum

I'll give you the lamb update then. :-)

mary rosenblum

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mary rosenblum

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