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Hands On Workshop 8/26/05

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Fri Aug 26 19:05:27 2005

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Fri Aug 26 20:42:48 2005



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mary rosenblum

Hello all!

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I hope you've had a good week.

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Hard to believe that next weekend is Labor Day! Whew! Where did the summer go?

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Today, we're going to do one of our 'hands on' workshops.

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In this one, people can contribute short chunks of prose that are giving 'em trouble.

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We'll see if we can't make them better. :-)

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This is our After Hours Forum, with me, Mary Rosenblum, your web editor, and we're doing a writers workshop today. I've published seven novels and more than 60 short stories and will do my best to answer any questions you have. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask a Question' button or the 'word bubble' next to the red question mark at the top of the screen in order to ask a question. Your regular 'send' bar won't reach me! Or you can use /ask and type your question into the regular send bar if that works better for you..

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I have quite a few submissions, and if yours doesn't show up here...

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it simply hasn't arrived in my email.

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Here's an excerpt for the session, if there's time. I think I have a POV problem. ~kashmir

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"I've got to go get groceries," she said. "I'm afraid I don't have your Cokes stocked, although if I'd known you were coming…" But he'd already seen the contents. One carton of buttermilk, a plastic container of bean salad, some eggs, and various pickles and jams was all that had met his eye. Bryan, embarrassed, went into what his office staff called "slick" mode, talking rapidly and incessantly to keep a difficult client distracted. He exerted his not inconsiderable charm upon his aunt, who bore it with good humor and a certain amount of grim pride.

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"So, where can I take you for dinner? You can't say no, because it's my birthday and I want to. Sky's the limit!"

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"Well, at Rick's Diner "Sky's the limit" would mean getting the pot roast sandwich,followed by a giant piece of cardboard cake." She sat upright in her chair, enjoying her own dry humor, while making determined eye contact long enough to keep him from seeing the dust and the mouse traps and the grimy windows.

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So what we have here is a scene that has a lot of character conflict.

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Bryan has visited his aunt and is appalled to see how she is living...

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so he plans to take her out to dinner.

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This is probably out of a larger context, so we're not introducing Bryan here.

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The dialogue brings the narrative distance down to near zero...but then it widens as the author...

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tells us how Bryan is talking. I don't think he thinks about it in such detail.

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Let's see if we can reduce the narrative distance as Bryan thinks about what he's doing.

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Bryan, embarassed, went into what his staff called slick mode. "So, where can I take you for dinner?" He gave her a wide, ingenious grin. "That was my secret plan.

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I'ts my birthday and you can't say no."

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After she describes the 'sky's the limit' fare at Rick's, we switch into her POV as she tries to will him not to see the dirt and disorder.

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But let's put it into HIS POV.

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This would come right after she speaks.

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She wasn't buying it. She held his gaze as if she could will him not to see the dust and mouse traps and grimy windows.

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I used almost the same words ehre, but now Bryan thinks 'she's not buying it'.

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He thinks that she's willing him not to see.

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It's a subtle shift but it keeps us in Bryan's POV and that allows us to keep building intimacy with Bryan.

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Notice we had to leave out more details about his slick mode and how he used it on clients...

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He probably wouldn't think about it just then, not in that much detail...

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but we know he's being slick, trying to make her think what he wants her to think...

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and that's really all the reader MUST know here.

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So it's enough.

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Too much detail would remind us it's a told story and distance us from Bryan.

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Once again...the balancing act! :-)

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This is our After Hours Forum, with me, Mary Rosenblum, your web editor, and we're doing a writers workshop today. I've published seven novels and more than 60 short stories and will do my best to answer any questions you have. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask a Question' button or the 'word bubble' next to the red question mark at the top of the screen in order to ask a question. Your regular 'send' bar won't reach me! Or you can use /ask and type your question into the regular send bar if that works better for you..

megger

I'm hoping to provoke a physical response but don't think I've made it yet....Reaching Max, he’s standing utterly still, staring at the study door instead of me and he’s growling. The hairs on the back of my neck stand up and I start breathing a little bit faster. Then it hits me. That door was open when I went to bed. Looking up at the clock, I see it’s now only a few minutes after 3:00 am.

janecj333

/does anyone else think it sounds like an omniscient narrato

mary rosenblum

The one I just did? Yes, it was an omni POV...that was part of the problem.

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We switched from Bryan to his aunt in the middle of the scene.

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That's why I simply chose Bryan as POV and stuck to him.

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I think this does a pretty good job of setting an ominous tone.

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I'd probably try to edit out as many words as possible to increase the tension a bit more.

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I'd probably leave out the breathing faster. You want the scene to accelerate us into the 'boo' that we know is coming. :-)

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Max is standing utterly still, staring at the study door instead of me.

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Growling.

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The hairs on the back of my neck stand up. That door was open when I went to bed.

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I'd leave the rest as it was...I don't know the significance of the time, but clearly it matters.

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I simply took out a lot of words to leave the beats that drive the creepy 'something's wrong' feeling.

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I put 'growling' on a separate line to add punch...turn the spot light on it.

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The choppy sentences suggest tension.

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Max is staring...growling...ohmygosh....door is open.

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The more you strip a scene like this down to those essential beats, the more you get that 'physical effect'. Most of the time, anyway. :-)

mary rosenblum

Here's a good question I want to answer:

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I am not sure how to pose this as a question but will try... If you are writing a story both in present and past i.e. finding a journal and reading what a person has written ... how do you transition from the present to the past smoothly.

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I seem to be able to stay in proper POV and proper tense in each of the paragraphs and taken separately they work but is choppy when you read it.

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Thanks Carla

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I'ts hard to do.

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And sometimes you simply let them be choppy. YOu end the character's POV section and begin a new section of the diary entry.

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No transition at all. You use the bumps.

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BUT...you can also try for a transition by having the MC get out the diary, maybe sit down...

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at the table and open it...

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That eases us into the diary, gives us the sense that we are looking at the page and beginning to read.

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I would certainly use a different font for the diary entries...probably italic or some other script like font that isn't too hard to read.

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(that is the editor's choice, not YOURS).

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You would simply use a [set off] command in the margin to tell the editor that you want the diary entries...

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to look different.

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The smooth transition might go like this:

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Eloise waited until Mark tottered off to bed. Then she slipped the book from behind the bread box and sat down at the table...

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spreading the book open in the yellow light of the kerosene lamp. The stiff paper crackled as she found her marked page. In October, Jamie got the spotted fever. I knew he was going to die. The good always die young.

mary rosenblum

This is our After Hours Forum, with me, Mary Rosenblum, your web editor, and we're doing a writers workshop today. I've published seven novels and more than 60 short stories and will do my best to answer any questions you have. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask a Question' button or the 'word bubble' next to the red question mark at the top of the screen in order to ask a question. Your regular 'send' bar won't reach me! Or you can use /ask and type your question into the regular send bar if that works better for you..

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Now if you were using diary and MC to create a parallel plot construction...

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you might want to alternate a chapter or scene, say, of the MC's actions and then a section of diary with no transition at all.

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We might know from the beginning of the story that our MC reads an entry every night, for example.

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That would be more of a 'bump' at the transition, but if you want the reader to follow two evolving stories separately, until they converge...

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that bump would remind readers they are shifting to the other story now.

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This is our After Hours Forum, with me, Mary Rosenblum, your web editor, and we're doing a writers workshop today. I've published seven novels and more than 60 short stories and will do my best to answer any questions you have. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask a Question' button or the 'word bubble' next to the red question mark at the top of the screen in order to ask a question. Your regular 'send' bar won't reach me! Or you can use /ask and type your question into the regular send bar if that works better for you..

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Geezer sent this one.

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Anthony trembled as he raised his weapon. "Here now! What's your business?"

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Unsteady, the gaunt man turned from the fire. In the gloom, flames flickered red and yellow across half his face.

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This is very nice showing.

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I probably wouldn't have flames on his face, but rather light from the fire flickered red and yellow...

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I bet that's what you meant, but it's not quite what you said. :-)

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Shirley:

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"Madonna and I are the same age, but that's where the similarities end." She had to chuckle when

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she read her opening line. There wasn't much about her life that she found funny these days, so

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hearing a laugh erupt from her own mouth was strange. She never dreamed she would find

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herself sitting up at midnight placing an ad on an online dating service. Actually, it wasn't all that

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funny; sad would be a better word.

gwanny

uhh thats Sherry...akaa gwanny

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I know, gwanny...apologies.

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I saw the typo about one nanosecond after I hit enter. :-)

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Sorry.

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This is really a good illustration of how hard first person is to write well.

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The challenge here is to make us feel that we are sharing the MC's thoughts...

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that she is talking to herself...like most of us do at times.

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This is very narrative.

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It's not written like an internal monolog. What you need to do is to listen to your POV for awhile.

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Let HER tell you in her voice about that.

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I'm sorry, this is third person...

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I have a different example on my WP screen...

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I was looking at the wrong one..but we're still seeing the same thing here...

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in third...where you want to reduce the narrative distance until it becomes internal monolog...

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the same way you would for first person.

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So you need to listen to that character until she tells this in her words.

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And it will almost sound like first person.

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Very limited third and first person are hard to tell apart, actually. :-) They're very close.

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Let's see if I can come up with a voice here...

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Apologies, gwanny...it won't be your character's.

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"Madonna and I are the same age, but that's where the similarities end." She chuckled. Wasn't much funny about her life these days. She made a face at the screen. Had she ever thought...

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she'd be sitting at her screen at midnight, posting an ad on an online dating service. Funny. Maybe. Or sad. She sighed and pushed herself back from the computer.

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I'd added more sentence fragments to give us the sense of her thoughts. She is not thinking in long, correct sentences...well probably not...most people don't. :-)

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The trick is trying to make it sound like HER and not like a voiceover.

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She had long forgotten the pre-performance sickness that always consumed her in the brightly lit backstage, and that was only moments ago. Now, in front of a packed audience in the city of her upbringing, only she and the piano were softly spot lighted, her trained fingers freeing her to reminisce.

gwanny

I see what you are getting at

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Good! It's hard to get, but once you do, it will bring your prose to life.

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That is when I started selling...when I finally mastered that limited third.

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An evening many years ago somewhere in the Mid West, a little girl with nose and lips pressed gently against a wet and cold December dining room window, is wishing, praying to see a pair of Dodge head lights slow down enough to make the left turn at the corner and a swift right into the driveway.

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This is by John.

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I'm not entirely sure what is happening here, but I think that the second paragraph is her thought as she plays her piano.

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(And I'm pretty impressed if she can play a concert piece and think about the past at the same time!)

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Is that what it seems like to you folks?

megger

As a musician, I can tell you in a performance - that won't happen.

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I find that a bit difficult to swallow, too, megger.

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You can make it work, but you'd have to establish it...that this character seriously multitasks.

gwanny

I wasnt sure, thought maybe it was two seperate pieces

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It may be. It didn't come with any explanation.

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Makes more sense than playing a concert and thinking! It was the 'reminisce' that sent me in that direction.

roe

almost sounds like two to me too

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So, what about narrative distance? What do you all see here in both pieces (we'll call 'em separate).

megger

I feel completely removed from the scene.

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Well, we're clearly not sitting inside the character's head, right?

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These are both very narrative, and the author uses very nice language.

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They're very well written narrative and that may suit the story perfectly.

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If you want to use lyrical language, if you want the reader to pay attention to your word choice, to really focus on the poetry of language...

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narrative works best, in general.

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If he zeroed the narrative distance, those lyrical words wouldn't be appropriate because she probably wouldn't think them.

archer

its like we're on the outside, looking in

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Exactly, archer.

teddo

I don't know what narrative distance is.

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Narrative distance is how far you are from the inside of your character's head.

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If you perceive the world through the character's senses, then the third person narrative distance is zero...as first person is.

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If we see the scene from a distance...it is larger than zero.

spider

perhaps the music itself brought about the reverie; it may have been an intimate song of both the performer and its subject; yet it needs to be clearer

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Absolutely. If these are her thoughts, we need a transition... 'the memory seeped in through the music...'

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Something like that.

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Let me move on, so we can get all these up. :-)

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Sweett [backstory]

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A lone street lamp stood guard over the near empty parking spaces in front of the Alexandria Gazette in old Downtown. Tabitha pushed her face against the cool glass, watching for Mother's return from All's Well Cafe'. Judith sat in the rocker looking over Tabitha's shoulder to the street below. The drumming rain beat against the glass distorting the view of the street below.

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Around the far corner limped a bent figure in a dark overcoat holding a big yellow umbrella overhead. The girls began to smile at the sight of their mother returning from a long shift. Again, Tabitha pressed her faces to the window and watched their mother pause at the curb, then step into the roadway. At Main Street's crossing with Third, headlights in a frenzied dance appeared as the revving of an engine jerked the girls' heads toward it. The red Corvette swerved back and forth guided by an unseen slalom course. The girls' hands flew to the windows, noses against the glass. Screams. The Corvette raced past the apartment, never slowing. Mother's umbrella flew into the air and skittered down the roadside, floating along with the drain water. The dark overcoat covered a crumpled mound.

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This is a nice cinematic scene, sweett.

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We are in nobody's POV here.

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We are standing back, watching mother get run over by a car.

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Now cinematic can work very well for that type of scene...

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and you can then switch over into the POV of one of the girls, or the person who will be your POV>

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As with Megger's creepy dog-growling scene, you might want to pare down the words...

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so that you focus on the essential beats of the scene.

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Mom limping, umbrella, girls smiles, headlights, car zooms past, umbrella skittering down the road...

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and that umbrella skittering along is VERY powerful.

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I wouldn't add that crumpled form. We KNOW it's there.

archer

what's the difference between cinematic and omni POV?

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In cinematic we don't know what anybody thinks, archer.

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We are in NO point of view head.

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In omni, we are in MANY points of view.

gwanny

how do you know when too much description is "too much"?

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Feedback, gwanny, practice, experience. Readers before you have experience. :-)

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You get better and better at using fewer words.

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And when you start, ask readers. Give 'em a questionaire after they read a story for you.

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Was the description too much, not enough, just right?

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Your turn, Archer. :-) Glad you could make it.

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The last few day guests were transporting out of the castle. Gail could hear the chatter of their parting greetings through her window. The public celebrations had gone well, she thought. At least that should please Martin. She sighed and looked at herself in the mirror. Lately, she felt older than her years. There were lines under her eyes and they were red. She sighed again and tried to relax. The overnight guests would be joining her in the dining hall soon. She had to at least look happy. Her thoughts were interrupted by the sound of footsteps. "You were with him again, weren't you?" her husband burst into the room.

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More accusations, Gail thought. "Yes… It was necessary Martin."

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"You always find a reason."

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"He responsible for our son's training. I need to know his plans."

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"I don't like it. It makes no sense for Adam to choose to train with such a little known knight. He had better options."

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Now, I"m sort of assuming that in this world, 'transporting' is a magical means of travel? :-)

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Like teleporting or somesuch?

archer

science actually

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That's good. (Science and a castle..I like that!)

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It's good. I'd tighten it a bit.

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Drop the could.

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YOu can lose the 'thought', too.

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More accusations. "Yes." Gail faced her husband. "It was necessary, Martin'.

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It's a nice strong limited third in Gail's POV.

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You can lose the 'there were' by letting her peer into the mirror... Gail peered at her face in the mirror, frowning at her red eyes and the puffy lines beneath them. s and the

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Nice, ARcher!

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Leah stood at the edge of the road facing the faded white mailbox. Rust grew from the nails that held it onto the leaning post. She reached out, flicked off a rusty chip of paint and watched it flutter to the ground. Red dust covered clumps of withered grass and a single wilted daisy slumped next to the post. She rested her palm on her bulging stomach then crushed the daisy and ground it into the dirt. "Might as well get it over with." A screech accompanied the opening of the mailbox and a shiver ran up her spine. She reached in the mailbox and pulled out the envelope.

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That's speck.

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Now here, speck has drawn out the details of the mailbox and the scene in general...

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Leah notices the rust spreading from the nails, picks off a bit of paint, notices the dust and witheed grass, the daisy, and crushes it. To me, that says she is dreading what is in the mailbox...

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and it will have a big impact on her life. This is avoidance behavior...noticing all these details.

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It's the kind of 'shocky' effect you get when you've been injured or experience shocking news...

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you tend to zoom in and notice small details.

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We also know she is pregnant and she confirms that the letter is dreaded with he thought.

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I'd just start with Leah faced the faded white mailbox.

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That is teh core of the scene...it and the threat it holds.

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This is our After Hours Forum, with me, Mary Rosenblum, your web editor, and we're doing a writers workshop today. I've published seven novels and more than 60 short stories and will do my best to answer any questions you have. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask a Question' button or the 'word bubble' next to the red question mark at the top of the screen in order to ask a question. Your regular 'send' bar won't reach me! Or you can use /ask and type your question into the regular send bar if that works better for you..

archer

Thanks. This may be an obvious question, but how do third and limited third differ?

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It's a good question, archer.

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There are several types of third person.

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'third person' just means that you use he/she/it instead of 'I'.

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we have cinematic third...no POV character, you are a camera eye.

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Omniscient third...you head hop from character to character

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narrative third...

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the author tells the story.

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and limited third.. we share the story through the perceptions of the POV character.

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And one POV at a time.

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Your turn, lore. :-)

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Rain poured down the windshield. The whirr of the wipers harmonized with the soothing sounds from the jazz station. Cast Your Fate to the Wind. Watt smiled. He love the song but not the title. The music filled his mind like water, calming him. Traffic flowed like sludge. He wondered if there was an accident. He wanted to get home. Aaron would be waiting. Hiking at the falls. He drummed his fingers on the dash, out of

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time with the song.

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Highway speed. Finally. He relaxed. The song was over. Higher Ground by Stevie Wonder came on. He saw a movement. A car ahead flowed across a lane of traffic, gliding out of control on the wet road. A tractor trailer swerved to avoid it. Spun out of control. He was mesmerized by the way the entire world seemed to narrow to that wall of gleaming metal coming toward him. Time slowed. Then speeded up. In that split second he tried to swerve out of the way, slammed the brake. Fear hit him like a wall, then the metal. He braced himself, heard himself screaming, and thoughtof Aaron.

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Things slowly began to make sense again. He wasn't sure if he was still real. The airbag was deflating. He didn't see any blood. His left ankle hurt, a nauseating grinding pain. Same with his right wrist. That's it? He began to think about getting out. Looked around. Ahead on the road, a trickle of flame flowed toward his car from the vicinity of the truck. A tiny fire flickered under his hood. He smelled gas.

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"Oh my God."

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That's very good limited third, lore.

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This is a hard scene to pull off...someone in the middle of an accident.

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It's very easy to make it very narrative, to lose the sense of action and crisis.

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I probably wouldn't do more than tweak a few words.

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I'd probably use sliding rather than gliding...that has a nuance of elegance, grace, and control that doesn't fit here.

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But your choppy sentences mimic the sort of fractured perceptions we might hve in the after math of a collision especially as he sees the flames.

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Notice how the rhythm of the passages changes.

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We have the mellow, sort of dreamy narrative as he settles into highway mode.

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That's the first paragraph.

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Then, in two, it starts in the same smooth, almost languid rhythm...you see something start to happen, it doesn't connect at first -- what is going on --

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but then it gets choppy toward the end as our POV reacts, hits the brakes...

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and the final paragraph is very choppy...he is in shock, injured.

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Nice job.

gwanny

wonderful climax building!!!!!

mary rosenblum

Absolutely.

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Very nice dramatic peak, a small respite and the start of a new build with the flames.

teddo

tell archer thanks for the question on thirds

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Yes, it was a good question. :-)

archer

good for not being predictable too, you think it ends with the crash, but then there's fire

mary rosenblum

Yep, exactly. :-)

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Just as we go 'whew'! WHAMMO...new crisis coming.

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roe, this is yours.

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"Hello." Sandy propped the newspaper on the counter and answered the phone. 'GEORGIE PORGIE, PUDDING AND DIE' by Sandy Winslow, the headlines blared at her. She opened a can of cat food, stooped down, and picked up the cat's dish.

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"Sandy, I liked your story

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What the heck? Sandy almost dropped the phone. The raspy voice on the other end sounded evil. Shivers ran up her spine. "Who is this?" she whispered.

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Nice dramatic moment here, roe.

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Clearly the fact that this person referred to her story has a big impact.

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I would rework your timing on your first paragraph though.

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She says hello and then she answers the phone.

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I know that's not what you meant, but that's what you wrote. :-)

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I would stick the 'answered the phone' right after that hello so you don't mislead us.

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"Hello." Sandy answered the phone as she propped the newspaper on the counter.

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Wouldn't she question the looong silence on the end of the line if she had time to open a can of catfood, bend down, and pick up the dish?

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I count seconds from my answer to the first word...

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telemarketers take about three to five seconds to see on their computer screens that you have picked up...

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and actually connect...so if I get three seconds of silence I hang up.

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People normally speak after one or at the most two seconds.

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I really DO count. :-)

mary rosenblum

This is actually an excellent example of how details affect our sense of time.

mary rosenblum

You can make more time pass by adding details, speed it up by removing them.

mary rosenblum

That's why it's so hard to get much detail into a fight/flight scene!

roe

so would it be better for her to say hello twice?

mary rosenblum

Yes, that should fix it. That tells us this is a long, unnatural silence and you don't have to have her think it or you say it.

mary rosenblum

Vic turned his attention back to the traffic as the woman behind him honked her horn. Looking in the rearview mirror at her, he could have swore her face changed in appearance before turning back to the disgruntled older driver. He wasn't sure what he saw other than a beautiful young woman with brunette hair in a bun.

mary rosenblum

This is from info.

mary rosenblum

I"m a little confused here, but I gather that Vic saw a lovely young woman briefly?

mary rosenblum

She was old, then, as he looked, she became young, then turned old again?

mary rosenblum

Is that how it happened?

info

yes

mary rosenblum

OH, good!

mary rosenblum

Okay...didn't want to go off on a tangent here.

mary rosenblum

Let's start with the woman honking.

mary rosenblum

That translates more immediately from print to visual.

mary rosenblum

The woman honked and Vic jerked his attention back to the traffic.

mary rosenblum

We hear a car honk, see woman driver, see Vic look back at traffic.

mary rosenblum

He could have sworn she turned back into that old bag, just before he took his eyes off the mirror.

mary rosenblum

But he'd seen a beautiful young woman with her hair in a bun. He had!

mary rosenblum

I've tried to give us more sense of Vic actually thinking to himself here.

lore alley

Mary, quick delayed (sorry!) question about my piece. Is the narrative distance zero? Is there a way to get it any closer?

mary rosenblum

It was very close to zero, lore. You did a nice job.

mary rosenblum

Well, we've run a bit over our time, but I wanted to get everyone in.

mary rosenblum

Yep, I did.

mary rosenblum

Thanks for submitting these...it's always easier to understand craft when you see it happen..

mary rosenblum

than when you simply read an explanation.

mary rosenblum

And you all gave me some great examples to work with.

mary rosenblum

Nice job and thanks!

mary rosenblum

Do join us Sunday for our casual chat.

mary rosenblum

Same time as the Friday Forum, but no topic, we just hang around and talk.

mary rosenblum

I'll post the transcript in the usual place: Writing Craft: Forum Transcripts.

mary rosenblum

Thanks for coming, all!

mary rosenblum

Have a good weekend, all!

mary rosenblum

See you Sunday!

 

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