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mary rosenblum
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Hello, all! I hope you've had
a good week, and lots of good words.
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mary rosenblum
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This is our After Hours Forum,
with me, Mary Rosenblum, your web editor. I've published seven novels and
more than 60 short stories and will do my best to answer any questions you
have. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask a
Question' button or the 'word bubble' next to the red question mark at the top
of the screen in order to ask a question. Your regular 'send' bar won't
reach me! Or you can use /ask and type your question into the regular send
bar if that works better for you..
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mary rosenblum
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For those of you who write
Romance...a new short Romance market has just opened...
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mary rosenblum
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and although it's not paying
much, there are very few markets for short Romance.
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mary rosenblum
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It's posted in New Markets:
Wax Romantic.
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mary rosenblum
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Please use the private message
feature if you want to chat with other people in the auditorium. Too much
chat fills up the screen and gives slower readers trouble. Thanks!
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mary rosenblum
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I wanted to talk a bit about
back story tonight.
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mary rosenblum
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I run into a lot of similar
starts in stories by novice writers.
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mary rosenblum
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Often they begin with a strong
action hook...
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mary rosenblum
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but then they go into a page
or two or more of a description of the setting, the various people, what
they have been doing, and so forth.
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mary rosenblum
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This is actually a novel
start...which is where most new writers learn it!
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mary rosenblum
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When you begin a novel, you do
not generally begin with the plot.
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mary rosenblum
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Instead, you usually begin
with a scene that sets up the story, the setting, the people and leads into
the first event of the plot.
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mary rosenblum
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That front serves as sort of a
basis of comparison for the rising tension and changes of the ongoing
plot..it is a taking off point.
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mary rosenblum
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But in short fiction, you
really don't have room for that first taking off point...
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mary rosenblum
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so you usually dive right into
the plot.
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mary rosenblum
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Even a good hook opening can
get stalled to a flat halt by a page of 'back story' before the plot gets
rolling.
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mary rosenblum
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The most common and the most
effective at totally stopping the forward momentum is the author's
lengthy...
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mary rosenblum
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description of the character!
Totally violates Point of View for one thing!
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mary rosenblum
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As a SF writer, where I not
only have to set the scene on page one and introduce the characters, but
also create the entire universe...I have learned to do this kind of set up
very effectively.
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mary rosenblum
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And it is not particularly
difficult, it just takes some thought.
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mary rosenblum
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As novice writers, most of us
come up with the opening scene right away, no problem.
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mary rosenblum
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It's later on in the story
where we bog down. :-)
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mary rosenblum
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But it is a good idea to spend
a fair amount of time deciding if this is REALLY where you want to begin.
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mary rosenblum
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The more details you need to
give to your reader in order for the reader to really get into the story,
the more action that hook scene needs to have and the stronger it needs to
be.
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mary rosenblum
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You can load quite a bit of
detail into a scene if the ongoing action rivets the reader's attention to
the page.
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mary rosenblum
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If your character is sitting
in a train staring at boring landscape, a three page monology about his
life with Mom is gonna drive the reader right on to the next story!
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mary rosenblum
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So will a two page narrative
monologue about the politics of the country and the economics that are
sending him on this trip.
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mary rosenblum
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But if your character is doing
something to hold our attention, say searching for a bear in a dark barn,
or building a house, or creeping through the junle with an AK47...
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mary rosenblum
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we can find out a lot and we
won't feel the story is lagging.
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mary rosenblum
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If your world is unusual --
unfamiliar to most readers, say a Tibetan market -- or you are writing
fantasy or SF...
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mary rosenblum
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you need to ask yourself which
details will give you the most 'bang for your buck' as you set the scene.
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mary rosenblum
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This is our After Hours Forum,
with me, Mary Rosenblum, your web editor. I've published seven novels and
more than 60 short stories and will do my best to answer any questions you
have. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask a
Question' button or the 'word bubble' next to the red question mark at the
top of the screen in order to ask a question. Your regular 'send' bar won't
reach me! Or you can use /ask and type your question into the regular send
bar if that works better for you..
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mary rosenblum
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You can't get them all in.
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mary rosenblum
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But the thing that saves us,
is that readers are willing to take a promissory note.
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mary rosenblum
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Give us one spaceship detail.
Okay, the reader thinks. Spaceship. Show me more, pretty soon...
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mary rosenblum
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And so you, the writer, drop a
couple of more details in, and then another, and another as the characters
do what they are doing.
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mary rosenblum
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And pretty soon, we have a
pretty complete picture of the space ship.
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mary rosenblum
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Do this with backstory, too.
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mary rosenblum
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Our character is getting sold
to someone. Okay, what's the story here? What culture is this?
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mary rosenblum
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We get another detail a
sentence or so later, a couple more as one character talks to another.
Slowly, the society we've created begins to take shape in the reader's
mind.
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mary rosenblum
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So do you just start your
story and later plaster in these details? Well, you can. But a better idea
is to start with the details.
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mary rosenblum
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Ask yourself what your reader
needs to know right away in order for things to make some sort of sense.
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mary rosenblum
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Alternate Earth. Aztecs rule
southern half of the Americas, Vikings the north.
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mary rosenblum
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Okay, we have to let the
reader know this right away...so how do we start the story so we can get
that in?
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mary rosenblum
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How about a market place? Two
characters are trading, one is Aztec, another is the Viking.
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mary rosenblum
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And we see something or find
out something that sets us on the North American continent.
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mary rosenblum
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We're all set with a basic
when/where, and we can add more details as we go.
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mary rosenblum
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The more you get feedback from
readers, the more you will get a feel for just how little you can give a
reader and still have that reader get your world more or less right.
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mary rosenblum
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You'd be amazed at how few
details you need.
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mary rosenblum
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But they need to be important
details.
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doodledorry
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Okay--are there any rules about
when names of people need to be announced or can that happen in the skiem
of things--as long as it doesn't throw the reader off
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mary rosenblum
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If they are main characters,
doodle, you need to name them soon. Like in the first paragraph or so when
they appear.
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mary rosenblum
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Minor characters can be named
later, but if we get used to seeing 'the old man' tottering about...
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mary rosenblum
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and he is suddenly Nathaniel,
a lot of readers will see two people there, rather than one.
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mary rosenblum
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It is a good idea, as a
general rule of thumb, to give a character's name pretty quickly, unless he
is just a spear carrier.
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shoutjoy
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a stormy night, broken down car,
lady in distress, dark man on white stallion, secluded mansion.. would you
read it? teehee
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mary rosenblum
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Well, not if you presented it
like that, shout! LOL...But you could get all those details in within two
paragraphs and yep, that would be a nice start.
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doodledorry
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so as long as it is clear and
obvious as to who is who
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mary rosenblum
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Yes, it is, doodle. ;-)
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starlighttraveler
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How do you spot new trends in
writing?
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mary rosenblum
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Starlight, it's darn hard to
spot if you depend on the published material.
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mary rosenblum
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Short fiction shows up 6
months to more than a year after it is purchased...
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mary rosenblum
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and by the time a book hits
the bookshelf, you're talking two years or more.
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mary rosenblum
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You want to be at the front of
the next trend, not in the rearguard. :-)
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mary rosenblum
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So instead of trying to figure
out what's selling and write that...
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mary rosenblum
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figure out what isn't out
there that might be popular and writeTHAT.
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mary rosenblum
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Your guess is as good as
anyone's. :-)
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mary rosenblum
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But you can certainly look at
who is reading and what is selling.
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mary rosenblum
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You really cannot predict what
is going to be hot in fiction. Lots of people...myself included...would
LOVE to.
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timtassinari
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Is it okay to just write what
you feel and not care whats popular?
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mary rosenblum
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tim that is a question that
writers argue about endlessly at conferences. The answer is sort of yes,
no.
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mary rosenblum
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Realistically, there are some
types of books that sell well. Romance for example. But writing something
that you do not enjoy and do not read is difficult, even if you are a pro
with a lot of writing experience.
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mary rosenblum
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You can certainly get a sense
of whether the idea you want to write about is marketable.
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mary rosenblum
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A Harry Potter clone is not
going to sell right now, so if that's what you want to write, you need to
prepare yourself for rejeciton...or find something else you want to write.
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mary rosenblum
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But writing 'for pay' is an
exercise in depression. It is a hard way to make very few dollars.
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mary rosenblum
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Write what you want. Write it
well. You'll probably make as much money as you would targeting a market
and you'll have a LOT more fun.
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timtassinari
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Is it true that funny never goes
out of style?
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mary rosenblum
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You bet. It is rare.
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owlybear
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Is it best tto start with some
sort of action scene..not necessarily extreme action, just some kind of
action...
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mary rosenblum
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Yes, owly it is. It doesn't
have to be a fight scene or chase scene. Mom setting the table is enough...
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mary rosenblum
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if we see the house, the
black-draped photo of her dead husband, the meticulously kept house...
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mary rosenblum
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We can have quite a sense of
her life by the time Son arrives for Sunday dinner with his new wife.
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speckledorf
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So back story is just like
character motivation...a part of the ice berg that we chip off a piece and
insert here...another piece there and so...at least in longer work?
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mary rosenblum
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Moreso in a shorter work,
speck. There you really have to drop tiny granules in. ;-) You can drop in
bigger chunks in the novel.
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doodledorry
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so stand at a bookstore counter
and listen to what people ask for but the store doesn't have?
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mary rosenblum
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Well, doodle, I would look at
what people are reading now...say urban mysteries... and think what those
readers might enjoy that is different.
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mary rosenblum
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Maybe mysteries set in another
country? Rural villages? Try that.
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mary rosenblum
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This is our After Hours Forum,
with me, Mary Rosenblum, your web editor. I've published seven novels and
more than 60 short stories and will do my best to answer any questions you
have. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask a Question'
button or the 'word bubble' next to the red question mark at the top of the
screen in order to ask a question. Your regular 'send' bar won't reach me!
Or you can use /ask and type your question into the regular send bar if
that works better for you..
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timtassinari
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Funny is rare? or it going out
of style is rare?
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mary rosenblum
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Humor is rare, tim. Most
editors love to find it.
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ducky
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Wanna know why Sci-Fi never goes
out of style?... Because...
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ducky
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Life is not only stranger than
you think, it is stranger...
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ducky
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than you can imagine
<--that's a quote
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mary rosenblum
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Well, that works backward,
too, ducky. Reality is never an excuse for fiction. :-)
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timtassinari
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My kids tell me what they want
to hear about and I write that... They like it...Maybe I have a good
barometer? LOL
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mary rosenblum
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They are probably excellent
barometers. :-) And good first readers, too.
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timtassinari
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Do more women than men buy
books? I would assume that to be true if romance sells so well :)
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mary rosenblum
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Depends on the genre, tim.
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mary rosenblum
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LOTS of women buy Romance. It
is the largest selling genre and is bought the way people buy snacks!
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mary rosenblum
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But in mystery, more men buy,
except in the cozy subgenre, and there, you have a huge overlap with
Romance readers. ;-)
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mary rosenblum
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SF is more young male
readers...20s...but with a reasonable number of boomer men...not many women
readers, alas.
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mary rosenblum
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Fantasy has a big audience in
young adult/teen male readers.
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mary rosenblum
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Lots of girls in highschool
age group.
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mary rosenblum
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Thriller is predominantly
male..
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mary rosenblum
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Well, I've covered a few.
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timtassinari
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Well, I couldnt write romance
unless it was hilarious, like most of my romances have been. Will Funny
Romance sell?
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mary rosenblum
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Go read my transcript of Janet
Wellington's interview, tim. We were talking about different Romance
subgenres and what sells.
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mary rosenblum
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I can't remember what she said
about humor, but yes, I gather it has its place.
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mitch
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How soon in the story do you
typically add conflict?
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mary rosenblum
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In a short story you should
try really really hard to get it...or at least the foreshadow of it..into
the very first scene, mitch.
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mary rosenblum
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The very first paragraph is
even better.
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mary rosenblum
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Even a hint that 'something
isn't right' is good.
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mary rosenblum
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If your conflict doesn't show
up until somewhere on page two, maybe you should rethink your start.
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mary rosenblum
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Let's do a little interactive
back story embedding here.
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mary rosenblum
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Give me a setting and I'll see
if I can't come up with a good strong opening that shows us that setting.
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mary rosenblum
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Or gives us the backstory of
the people, culture, what have you.
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speckledorf
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Outdoor cafe
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mary rosenblum
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Okay. Outdoor cafe. What city?
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paja
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It's raining
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mary rosenblum
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okay, rain. You all are making
this too easy. :-)
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paja
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Wheaton Illinois
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ducky
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Amsterdam
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timtassinari
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IN New Orleans
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dbamarsha
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Des Moines, Iowa
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mary rosenblum
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Hmmm...well, for me, it's
gonna have to be Amsterdam or New'alins. Let's pick Amsterdam, although my
details will be stereotypical without reasearch.
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speckledorf
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Small country town...
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info
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city on the moon
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mary rosenblum
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Ah, more choices. Hmmm outdoor
cafe on the moon means a dome. :-)
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mary rosenblum
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Okay tell me what we need to
know about the character?
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mary rosenblum
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What do I have to show the
reader?
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ducky
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He's a drug dealer
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info
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rich girl
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mary rosenblum
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How about a rich drug dealing
girl.
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mitch
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He's suicidal
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mary rosenblum
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Only she's a she.
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speckledorf
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a runaway...lost and alone
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mary rosenblum
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Hmmm...well, we can't do both
this and dealer, but since this is Amsterdam, I don't know how many dealer
are around...pretty open policy on hard drugs.
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paja
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she had trouble w/Mom and still
sucks her thumb
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mary rosenblum
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Okay, this is good. We have
outdoor cafe, Amsterdam, a runaway who is thinnking of suicide, sucks her
thumb...physical attributes folks? Young girl, remember.
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ducky
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Make it like the Warren Zevon
song...
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ducky
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..."Send lawyers, guns, and
money"...
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mary rosenblum
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LOL One of my favorite songs,
ducky!
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info
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red head
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timtassinari
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Red shoes?
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mary rosenblum
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Red head, young, red shoes.
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info
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maybe 16ish
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speckledorf
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looks like a boy...often
mistaken for one?
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mitch
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She has scabies, long hair, and
warm brown eyes
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mary rosenblum
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If you mean the vitamin
deficiency, mitch, I'd have to look up the symptoms!
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janp
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Thin to the point of skinny
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paja
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spiked hair
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mary rosenblum
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Okay, let's see how many of
these we can get in here.
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timtassinari
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a sad story, in amsterdam red
shoes and 16 means bad family backround...
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mary rosenblum
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Ah, but she's not Dutch, she's
American.
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mary rosenblum
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So what must the reader know
here...we may not be able to get all the physical attributes into an
opening.
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mary rosenblum
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City, place, her mood, some
details of her appearance, her origin, her condition -- runaway.
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timtassinari
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That was a movie with bridgett
fonda ;)
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mary rosenblum
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The Red Shoes? That name rings
a bell.
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mary rosenblum
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Okay...let me think here. Talk
about performance art, whew!
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mary rosenblum
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She slouched sideways as the
shade from the umbrella inched across the table, her eyes on the filthy
water of the canal. A condom floated by like a limp, decaying fish. Just
step off ...
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mary rosenblum
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Do it after dark, when
everyone was in the restaurants. Who would notice? She shoved her fingers
into the stiff spikes of her hair as the waiter drifted closer.
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mary rosenblum
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Picked up her beer glass and
made a face at him as she took a sip. It was warm as spit. He wasn't going
to go away this time, said something to her in Dutch. She shrugged, stood.
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mary rosenblum
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No more money. Should have
stolen one of Mom's cards. She crossed between the tables, feeling eyes on
her...
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mary rosenblum
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disapproving of her hair, her
grimy dress that sort of just covered her butt.
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mary rosenblum
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Walked over to the canal and
looked down. Just do it.
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mary rosenblum
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She imagined the soggy paper,
limp condoms brushing up against her mouth as she went in, gagged as the
smell of dead fish filled her nostrils. Turned and hurried away..
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mary rosenblum
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out onto the street full of
cars and bikes and fat people with pale hair, no place to go, no place to
go back to.
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timtassinari
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So the hook is that she is
american...?
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mary rosenblum
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I didn't really get that in. I
could have had her think about the Manhattan apartment and finding the
plane tickets, but figured the scene would get too heavy with details.
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mary rosenblum
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You generally have to leave
some out. But we can find out in a minute here.
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timtassinari
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I just closed the book.. ewww
LOL
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mary rosenblum
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This is definitely a dark
scene! You folks gave me the suicidal remember!
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timtassinari
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Then she wants attention, not
really to die?
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mary rosenblum
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Aha...that's a question isn't
it? Something to keep the reader wondering. Not bad enough to down in a
filthy canal, evidently. :-)
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ducky
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...up to her and speaks in
English "is she available?"
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mary rosenblum
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That would make a great next
scene, ducky. She could end up telling him about New York, running away,
stealing tickets from her mom...
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mary rosenblum
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Great lead in to the main
plot.
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mary rosenblum
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But this is a scene were a lot
of action is not going on...just enough to keep us moving as the waiter
pressures her to leave and she crosses the cafe to glance at the canal and
leave.
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mary rosenblum
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It is a start that is VERY
thick with setting and back story, but still moves forward.
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bud
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possibly pregnant?
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mary rosenblum
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Good one, bud. I could have
had her nearly lose her lunch when the smell hit her and think about how
she hated feeling like this...
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mary rosenblum
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and it was his fault.
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mary rosenblum
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Actually, this technique...of
using a lot of character thought...is a great way to give the reader back
story if you keep the character doing something and if it is a short scene.
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mary rosenblum
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My 'pacing bell' was going off
as she heads for the street. To me, it was time to have her go interact
with something or someone...like ducky's man.
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mitch
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She will run into a new
character of influence?
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mary rosenblum
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That could happen. Or she
could get picked up by an Amsterdam cop who feels sorry for her, lets her
go, and maybe gives her a card with an address...tells her it's a place to
sleep...
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mary rosenblum
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and she goes there and meets a
strange and crazy woman. :-)
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paja
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Is this how one could develop a
plot--just keep finding out what happens next?
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mary rosenblum
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Yes, you can do that. It's how
I plot most of my stories, even if I know where I want to go...
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mary rosenblum
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but I usually do this in my
head. Much easier to change things as the story starts to take off. :-)
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mary rosenblum
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Well, I use a lot of notes,
too.
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timtassinari
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I got that she wanted to be
saved, not to die if she's jumping into a canal
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mary rosenblum
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Yeah, I didn't think she
seriously wanted to kill herself. She took instant shape in my mind as a
rather self centered girl who could stand to grow up a bit. :-)
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coway
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on my short for book, it's got a
critical plot, but I use character's doubts about herself and feelings on
what's happening in her thoughts as plot moves forward,,,but wonder if it
moves forward fast enough?But the thoughts in themselves are supsenseful,
so would that help?
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mary rosenblum
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Character thought is a very
useful tool, but like most tools, too much is too much.
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mary rosenblum
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I tended to use it too much
when I first began publishing. I use it a lot less now, but I've learned
from experience that I can give the reader less information and they still
get where I want 'em to get. :-)
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mary rosenblum
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Much of improving, in writing,
is learing how to do more with less...
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mary rosenblum
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and learning the abilities of
your readers, as well as their limits.
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mary rosenblum
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Every individual is going to
get or not get different things...
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mary rosenblum
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but as a large group, they
tend to act consistently.
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mary rosenblum
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So you will constantly get
better at giving them just the details to help them share your world.
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mary rosenblum
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On the average, I would say
that I write about 2000 words less per story than I did when I was first
publishing.
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bud
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what age group would a story
like this be suitable for?
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mary rosenblum
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Well, we don't have much to go
on yet, but I'd say it would be for high school age to adult.
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mary rosenblum
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A lot of HS age YA is VERY
dark and very realistic.
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mary rosenblum
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I don't think it would work
for the 10 - 13 year market.
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mary rosenblum
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It feels too dark to me for
that group.
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mary rosenblum
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But that is how you craft that
kind of scene.
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mary rosenblum
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Let me give you my thought
process as I did it.
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mary rosenblum
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Readers want to know where we
are...immediately. So I put her in the shade of the table umbrella...that
puts us in some kind of outdoor cafe/restaurant for most readers.
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mary rosenblum
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When she sees that filthy
canal, some readers will get Netherlands, some not, add more later.
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mary rosenblum
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Next she thinks about drowning
herself after dark. Who would notice? That tells us her state of mind. She
shoves her fingers into her spiked hair, so we see young, punk, probably
dressed in black...
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mary rosenblum
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Waiter's hazing tells us no
money, should have stolen Mom's card --runaway...
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mary rosenblum
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Now if this was an actual
story..
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mary rosenblum
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I'd add a few more beats in my
second draft.
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bud
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could have been Venice.
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mary rosenblum
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Yep, which is why I had the
waiter speak in Dutch, not English...
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mary rosenblum
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and I figure she'll give us
Amsterdam as she leaves the cafe and does something else.
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mary rosenblum
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Readers are patient.
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mary rosenblum
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you can hand them piece after
piece of the puzzle...
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mary rosenblum
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and as long as you keep
handing them those pieces, they'll keep assembling the puzzle.
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mary rosenblum
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Your job is hand them the
right pieces, so that the picture goes together quickly.
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ducky
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"The Amsterdam cop saw
her..."
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mary rosenblum
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That would work, but it's not
her POV...in her thought.
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mary rosenblum
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She might think, Darn
Amsterdam cops. Couldn't let anyone alone... Of course she wouldn't use
darn! LOL
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ducky
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I guess that comes in a
different scene. :-)
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mary rosenblum
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That's the next scene, when
the cop starts to arrest her...she steals fruit from a vendor!...and then
sends her off to our crazy lady.
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ducky
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You can reveal location in one
sentence...
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mary rosenblum
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Yes, but the sentence has to
fit the POV, ducky.
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mary rosenblum
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Working on my feet, so to
speak, I couldn't think of a reason for this depressed, suicidal, self
centered kid to think about being in Amsterdam! Believe me, I tried!
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ducky
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Yeah, I know. I was waaay on
down the road with the story.
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mary rosenblum
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Oh, it's fun, isn't it? I just
finished doing one like this. Start at point and see where you end up!
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ducky
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Amsterdam has legal drugs.
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mary rosenblum
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That's why I didn't make her a
drug dealer. :-)
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ducky
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And legal prostitution
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mary rosenblum
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Which is why someone could
walk up to her and ask, on the street. Which would be a fun scene,
actuallyu.
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mitch
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She's smoking a joint, looking
at the red light district
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mary rosenblum
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That might give her a reason
to think Amsterdam...it still shocks her to see pot on the street
everywhere. So she'd think something about 'this Amsterdam was too strange'
or something like that.
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paja
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She sees the cop and his
uniform, Amsterdam, danged Amstterdam, I wanted to die in Brussels.
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mary rosenblum
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That could do it.
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mitch
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considering a new career
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mary rosenblum
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yep. And these are all ways to
'show' the reader what is going on without using your author narrative
voice.
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mary rosenblum
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See? All it takes is some
thought about...how do I get this across?
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mary rosenblum
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And you can set up a scene to
give out all kinds of information without a single word in your narrative
voice.
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mary rosenblum
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That's why it is a very good
idea to begin by thinking about what the reader MUST know in that first
scene...
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mary rosenblum
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before you commit yourself to
a particular scene.
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ducky
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It's the "writer's
law" - SHOW, don't TELL
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mary rosenblum
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exactly, ducky. And that law
takes MANY forms...
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mary rosenblum
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it's not just about describing
action.
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janp
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She had no choice. The ticket
was for Amsterdam...good aplace as any
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mary rosenblum
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That would fit neatly with her
thought about stealing plane tickets from Mom. :-)
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mary rosenblum
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ANd of course, by the time you
get to the end of the story, you probably need to put in a few details that
weren't important when you began...
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mary rosenblum
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but need to be there now.
That's the process I'm in right now...fixing the beginning to fit the end.
:-)
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owlybear
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she couldn't go anywhere else
with no money..
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mary rosenblum
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Exactly, owly.
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paja
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Mom never wanted to go anyplace
fun. Now she can have her honeymoon with that creep in the Bronx.
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speckledorf
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Mom's live in boyfriend tried to
get friendly with her and mom didn't believer her...
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mary rosenblum
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And these are what I'd call
'secondary details'./ They amplfy the basics in scene one here...
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mary rosenblum
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and they need to come in soon,
but we can put them off until she has someone to talk to...
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mary rosenblum
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and is willing to spill all
this
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mary rosenblum
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This is the triage
thing...which details to we need NOW and what can we hand the reader in a
minute.
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mary rosenblum
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We can start knowing she's a
runaway NOW, and find out why shortly.
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janp
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need a very unlikely character
to befriend her
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bud
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someone like the crazy old
woman?
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mary rosenblum
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Yep...her...she was a Paris
prostitute and now sort of takes in girls. Quite a character...
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mary rosenblum
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This was fun!
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coway
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so far teacher has read various
assignment types: mild fiction about whacky friend, article, not
adventerous fiction story, science fiction, and now I'm sending her my
first action/triller story will she feel I'm jumping too much?
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mary rosenblum
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Well, I don't know how your
instructor feels, coway, but I am always delighted when my students try
lots of different things.
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mary rosenblum
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How do you know what works for
you if you don't experiment?
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owlybear
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This was great..sure makes you
think of how you can make a story progress.. excellent forum...
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mary rosenblum
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I'm glad, owly.
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mary rosenblum
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A lot of times an actual
example is easier to understand than a lecture. :-)
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mary rosenblum
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Well, I'll post the
transcripts at Writing Craft: Forum Transcripts.
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mary rosenblum
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Do drop by the chat room here
on Sunday for our usual casual chat.
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mary rosenblum
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Same time as the Forum
tonight, same place.
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coway
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the action/triller was a horrble
written flash fiction written in l999 that I found and re-wrote and took
new slant on
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mary rosenblum
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good for you, coway!
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janp
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Do we have to wait for the next
chapter? I want to know the resolution...:-)
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mary rosenblum
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I'm laughing. I think you
should all write this story! The versions will be a lot of fun and very
different!
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mary rosenblum
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WEe you all Sunday!
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mary rosenblum
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uh..SEE you all Sunday!
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mary rosenblum
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Have a good weekend!
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mary rosenblum
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Go play in Amsterdam. :-)
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janp
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You too
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mary rosenblum
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After I get back from the near
future, jan!
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mary rosenblum
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Good night, all!
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