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Crafting the Short Short Story 6/4/04

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Fri Jun 04 19:04:09 2004

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mary rosenblum

Hi! This is our regular Friday After Hours forum with me, your web editor, Mary Rosenblum. I've published 3 SF novels, 4 Mysteries, and more than 50 short stories in multiple genres, as well as nonfiction. I'm here to answer any questions you have about writing, editors, submitting, agents, or whatever.

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mary rosenblum

I hope you have all had a great week and are enjoying sunny June weather.

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I wanted to talk about the short short story a bit tonight.

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I used to think of that form as a writing exercise primarily. Very few fiction markets would touch it.

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But it has been growing in popularity.

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I have a recommendation for a good book on it...one that I have on my shelves.

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This is Fast Fiction by Roberta Allen

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She takes you through the process of learning to sit down and do a story in five minutes.

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I find that it is a great exercise in idea generation which is why I originally bought it.

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What the book teaches you is how to simply throw down a rough idea and then find a way to make that a good story.

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It's a way of loosening yourself up so that you don't freeze when you suddenly find that you need a new story idea.

info

that doesn't include coming up with the idea does it?

mary rosenblum

Yes, and she does a nice job of teaching you how to find ideas anywhwere.

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I routinely use her method to find ideas in things like pictures, for example...any picture.

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She gives you pictures and then a list of questions to answer.

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Generally, answering one or more of those questions will inspire an idea.

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She also takes you through the refining and polishing process from rough five minute don't-stop draft to the finished short short...

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and she includes a couple of examples that go through the revisions for you to compare.

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It's an excellent book, whether you want to write short short or just get better at writing short stories on demand...

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and coming up with good story ideas at the drop of a hat.

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The book is 'Fast Fiction' by Roberta Allen, publislhed by Story Press ISBN: 1-884910-27-0

It’s available from Amazon.com  Fast Fiction

ptomainebrain

holy speed typing batman, five minutes? I needed that back when I started the course!

mary rosenblum

Essentially, her exercises begin with you taking an assignment: set a timer for 5 minutes, choose an exercise...ie. write a story about a lie...and then write without stopping or editing for exactly five minutes and STOP>

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What it does is to turn off the doubt-machine..that whispering string of 'is this anygood' questions that can really stop you.

coway

I was at Waffle house in Perry, drinking coffee, and came up with idea, got out pen and notebook and wrote rough draft on an ariticle

mary rosenblum

Good for you, coway. If no notebook, you use a napkin. :-)

rupbert

Hi Mary. How do you focus in but still keep it flowing?

mary rosenblum

YOu don't focus, that's the point.

mary rosenblum

What she is teaching is to just get it down.

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Fix it later.

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She teaches you how to find the gold in the rough stuff.

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It's a way to learn that it's okay to start, it doesn't have to be perfect first.

coway

I did the napkin the other day,,,,it was a bit wet so was hard LOL

mary rosenblum

Just don't use a water base felt pen, coway! LOL

doodledorry

I use to have my students do that--just called it a "free write"

mary rosenblum

That's it, doodle. It begins with free writing, but it's a bit more focused, since you choose a topic.

twhorn

I have just checked the web pages for the 2 big books stores near hear. No new copies, but used copies are available of the book you mentioned.

mary rosenblum

It's available new and used from amazon.com

mary rosenblum

Starts used at 7.49

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That may be the price for the new hardcover, too.

mary rosenblum

I didn't check beyond the main listing.

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I paid a lot more than that!

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I think it's one of the handful of how to write books that is worth it.

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BUt that is what short shorts are good for, whether you sell them or not.

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You can learn to write fast and revise without committing yourself to weeks of time and pages of prose.

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And it is a way to really focus in on strong language.

mary rosenblum

Short shorts are more like poetry. The words themselves play a very significant role in the piece.

ptomainebrain

do you think the book has the potential to break through to those edit-as-we-go hard-heads like me? You know, "it was the best of times it was the worst of times... no wait... it was a pretty good time but not really... no wait, it was a halfway decent time but could've been better... no wait...

mary rosenblum

If you do what she says and don't cheat, pto. :-) It can feel very strained at first...

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Back when I was first writing, I really got in my own way.

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I spent too much time worrying over that first draft. The book really helped but I didn't like the exercises much at first.

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Now, going back, they are a relaxation exercise and a way to generate good story ideas. :-)

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I do them for recreation.

mystery2me

Hi Mary! I am on assignment 5 and find myself struggling to

mystery2me

keep my idea at 1500 words

mary rosenblum

The problem is nearly always in your idea itself, mystery.

mary rosenblum

Every story idea has a natural length.

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If you come up with a 6000 word idea, you'll need to write a 6000 word story or it will read like a summary.

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That's why LR includes three summary exercises.

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It gives your instructor a chance to say, 'hold on, this is going to be long...'

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Anyone got a story idea you want to contribute as a 'hands on' exercise?

mary rosenblum

I'll give you my take on length and we'll whack it down to under 1500 words.

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coway

I have pieces of paper all over the place where at different places, when time permits, I write..then keep the papers for later ideas

coway

Mary, I went through while thinking that I was too used to computer and could only write on computer,,,,had a change of mind a couple of months ago

mary rosenblum

Ha, coway! I went through the OTHER stage...

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I started writing back before a computer stood on every desk. I had to learn to compose on screen.

mary rosenblum

Couldn't do a first draft on screen to save my life at first!

mystery2me

So I should just plug away at my idea and worry about the

mystery2me

count after I get feedback from the instructor (you :-))

mary rosenblum

Aha, one of my students! Yes, send me your plot summary but make sure that it's complete.

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I can't tell much from something like...this is a mystery about a serial killer...

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there just isn't enough there. But if you tell me where you start, where you want to end up, and more or less how you think you'll get there, I can tell you roughly how long it would be if I wrote it...

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and I can also tell you how to make the story shorter or longer by changing the idea.

doodledorry

How about the topic of earth?

mary rosenblum

That's just a topic, doodle...you could do anything. I can put up a story idea and we can play with it, but I thought somebody might have one. :-)

mystery2me

I feel better knowing I don't have to keep track of words

mary rosenblum

Well, when you write the entire piece you do. But when you turn in a summary don't worry about it.

speckledorf

Idea...dog returns home after missing a couple of days...carrying a bone and with no collar

ptomainebrain

I was amazed Taffy gave me the thumbs up for my young girl chess prodigy idea in #5, and I actually pulled it off in #6 - final count 1490. And she loved it, said it was submissable... I dunno...

mary rosenblum

Good for you, pto. See??? It's not THAT hard.

janp

A homicide has been committed in a rural town. Population 500. Gentle, well liked, no enemy, wife not under suspicion

mary rosenblum

This is what I'm looking for. Okay let's see what we have here.

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We don't really have a conflict or a main character yet.

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Someone want to volunteer one? A MC. And a conflict.. Either or.

roe

was it a human bone?

mary rosenblum

Oh, let's make it a human bone!

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Even better.

janp

Homicide or suicide. the man had cancer of the stomach

mary rosenblum

We don't even have a murder yet!

peejay

HOW OLD IS THE BONE

mary rosenblum

It's recent...a few years. It's human. It's....a child.

t green

main character is a recluse, watches everything that goes on on his block through the curtains. the dog is his

mary rosenblum

Good, t.

mary rosenblum

Okay, I"m going to put in the conflict.

aegis1

A man in a trench coat lurked in the shadows.

mary rosenblum

We can slip that in, too. Okay, I'll do conflict.

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We have a woman in the small town who isn't very well liked...not born here...

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her daughter was supposedly kidnapped by her ex husband and she hasn't been quite right since...

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but the bone is the right size to belong to a child of that age, so of course everyone suspects her of killing her kid.

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So this is our story idea.

peejay

Daughter or the woman?

mary rosenblum

the bone is a child and of an age that could be her daughter when she went missing.

mary rosenblum

We have our recluse as MC.

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He likes the woman. He recognizes a kindred soul. The town sheriff is sure she did it.

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So she is arrested instantly.

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So how long is this story?

doodledorry

town small enough for lots of gosip

mary rosenblum

Yep.

roe

3000 words

mary rosenblum

Well, depends on what we do with it, roe.

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It's a novel if we want it to be.

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We can take it all the way down to a short short.

roe

Okay with all that info, can it be done in 1500 or less?

mary rosenblum

Aha...and this is the key to the entire matter of length.

mary rosenblum

No, you cannot include all this detail in 1500 words...BUT...you can imply enough to get the story across.

mary rosenblum

But not with all that detail.

mary rosenblum

This is where writers get into length trouble. They come up with an idea like this. Woohoo...

mary rosenblum

The way I envision this story, it would probably go 8000 words or more...

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with a strong character in the reclusive MC of course, a strong char in the woman, the sheriff who has already made up his mind.

mary rosenblum

Whose story is it? The recluses. He has been perceived as a stupid drunk and he's not stupid.

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He makes the connection that refutes all the circumstantial evidence.

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Just because she is the only person in town who sees through his behavior.

janp

Won't length depend a bit on how many secondary characters get involved?

mary rosenblum

Of course. With what I just described, it's gonna take that 8000 words of tight prose to tell this story well.

mary rosenblum

Hmmm...maybe I'll do this for Ellery Queen...as a challenge. :-)

mary rosenblum

Anyway...that aside...

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We can do the 3000 word version.

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BUT...

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If we try to include all that stuff...snatches of gossip, the peoples' reaction to the recluse, to the woman..all the set up...

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we're gonna have a summary not a story. Thin as paper.

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So what do we leave out?

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This is where 'imply' is critical.

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We can show the reader exactly what the town thinks in a one paragraph scene on page one...

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as one of the townspeople passes him as he emerges from the convenience store with his brown bag of the day.

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(wine)

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And at the same time, somebody comes running into the sheriff's office dragging the dog and bone.

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We can skip to a visit with the woman...he's there to sort of warn her in his rambling way...

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he knows what's gonna happen.

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And the next scene takes place farther along, and we'll learn about what has gone on through someone's conversation with the old recluse.

mary rosenblum

We will stick closely to him and let him figure things out more than we do in the 8000 word version.

janp

How 'bout, not wine, he dosen't drink but wants people to think so?

janp

Let that out later

mary rosenblum

Sure, janp. That depends on how you the author feel about him, and what you want the reader to feel.

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It could be a cover, sort of his personal armor.

roe

So how do we leave out the detail and imply it, through dialogue, would it be a fast paced story

mary rosenblum

Except that too much dialogue gets boring. But yes, dialogue that occurs in front of our MC or 'over his head' will tell us a lot.

mary rosenblum

His thoughts about it will give us back story.

t green

couldn't you even skip the person running into the sheriff's office? have the dog drop the bone on the recluse's front porch. neighbor sees the recluse on the porch looking at the dog and the bone. mc is holding the wine bottle...

mary rosenblum

That might be the 8000 word version, t green.

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But that requires a scene where the sheriff comes to investigate, they discuss, carry the bone off, test it for human, etc.

mary rosenblum

If I was writing the novel version, I'd probably have the dog drop the bone on the lawn of the prissy ex-school principal who throws a fit and hates it when dogs get on her lawn..

mary rosenblum

Make the whole episode the opening chapter and bring in a ton of backstory about people in the town.

mary rosenblum

That's the Looong verson.

mary rosenblum

By having the owner drag dog and bone to sheriff...we skip the conversation and discussion scene.

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MC drops into cafe later, hears gossip about human child bone.

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Goes to woman's house after to bring back a tool he borrowed and warn her...

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Two short scenes and we're well into the plot.

roe

So pretty much then , this story is all through the eyes of the recluse, what he sees, hears, and thinks?

mary rosenblum

Right, roe. I would let the reader see lots of stuff happen in the 8000 word version.

mary rosenblum

But for the 3000 word version, we'll let the MC overhear what has happened. Shorter that way.

gerryd429

Perhaps he is a recluse because he lost a child to kidnappin

mary rosenblum

Ooh, nice character twist, gerry. That could come out at the end...after he has saved her.

janp

One idea and at least 27 versions!

mary rosenblum

That's actually an exercise I do at workshops, janp. I give one story idea to all the participants...

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and they write a story summary. Same idea. They are ALL different.

mary rosenblum

If anyone wants to use this idea we're doing tonight feel free. :-)

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Everyone will do a different version.

mermaid1110

What if we add that the bone was tied to the dog's collar?

mary rosenblum

WE could do that, but that implies another person involved. In the 8000 word version that would be fine. Or the novel.

mary rosenblum

I'm not sure I'd want that complication if I was facing a 3000 word limit.

roe

can't wait to hear who done it.

mary rosenblum

Me, too, roe. LOL.. Or whom the bones belong to!

deb1234

How do you indicate to the reader that you have made this jump in time? Do you leave extra spaces?

mary rosenblum

YOu could skip a space and use a centered * to indicate a change, deb.

mary rosenblum

When I'm writing short...the 3000 word version..I mostly do that.

mary rosenblum

Or you can use a transition scene, but that's the 8000 word version. :-)

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After the recluse warns her, we have also established their relationship and seen her character through his eyes.

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This is where we create her as a sympathetic character...through his perception.

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If you'll notice, all this version is very focused on our MC.

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The more you focus on your MC and his/her perceptions, thoughts, the shorter the story tends to be.

mary rosenblum

When you show us everything and let us figure things out, it takes many more words.

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That is a major technique for shortening a story.

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Crawl into your MC's head and don't come out!

arfelin

So in short shorts you don't use transition scenes?

mary rosenblum

You don't have enough words for lengthy transitions.

mary rosenblum

You need to really make the shift in time or place clear so that only a word or two is needed to cue the reader.

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You REALLY pay attention to your words in short shorts.

martyg

I see 2 FF books by R. Allen - FF in a Minute and just FF

mary rosenblum

Tast Fiction: Creating Fiction in Five Minutes is the one I have.

mary rosenblum

I gave the ISBN number. That will tell you which is which.

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It'll be in the transcripts when I post 'em.

deb1234

Can we do one on a 1000 word limit?

mary rosenblum

Sure. I'm not going to take the whole story all the way through here, but I wanted you to see the different approach.

mary rosenblum

In 8000 words we can watch the dog show up with the bone, watch Mrs. Farnsby get upset when it digs up her petunias then faint when she realizes it's a human bone...

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IN the 3000 word version we watch the bone get hauled onto the police station with our MC

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And he hears about things later.

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We have less stuff going on...

martyg

Amazon didn't recognize the Title and ISBN together

mary rosenblum

you have to search the title, marty.

mary rosenblum

when I post the transcripts, folks, I'll add a link directly to the page on amazon.com where you can find the book.

gerryd429

Would it be shorter if, say...the new woman in town was

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accused of the murder already?

mary rosenblum

Bingo, gerry.

mary rosenblum

That is the short short.

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It is simply a single scene...

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an intense interaction between our recluse and the woman.

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And what takes place there is the recluse letting her know that he can clear her...and will.

mary rosenblum

That's the 1500 word version, but in that version we will know how the town feels about both characters...

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why he is helping her, and what he can do.

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Backstory, plot, conflict, resolution all together.

mary rosenblum

Now here, we will of course be in our MC's POV and we'll get a lot of what we had in our 3000 version in his thoughts.

mary rosenblum

We won't see the dog, we won't go with him to the cafe or her house.

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Theyll be talking through the jailhouse window or something like that.

deb1234

Has there been any collections of short shorts or are they only seen in magazines and such?

mary rosenblum

Oh there are collections.

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I've got one upstairs, but it's hiding from me, sigh.

mermaid1110

How do you decide between 1st or 3rd voice?

mary rosenblum

Depends on what feels right to you, mermaid.

mary rosenblum

If you're going to include a lot of thought, then first person might work better.

mary rosenblum

But if we're going to infer the story from seeing the characters in action, third is probably better.

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mary rosenblum

You don't have to use thought in order to give the reader backstory.

mary rosenblum

We did it here, because we have a story that mostly took place in the past.

mary rosenblum

But if you are creating a short short where the story takes place in the present, you may not include any thought at all.

roe

this one sounds like it can work equeally well in either 1st or 3rd would 1st work better for the 1500 or less?

mary rosenblum

Very likely, roe.

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If you show actions that tell a story, you may never get inside any character's head.

mary rosenblum

Many short shorts don't have a Main Character per se

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They are told in cinematic POV and we watch the characters from a bit of a distance.

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AS if they are onstage.

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They can be in narrative, where our narrator is telling us what is going on as two characters interact.

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But if you notice, as we got shorter, our field of vision got narrower.

mary rosenblum

For the novel, we'd play with the town, a whole lot of interesting characters, lots of back story and a couple of sub plots.

mary rosenblum

For 8000 words, we still have the town but fewer interesting characters and probably one slight subplot or none.

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For 3000 words, we know the town and people through our MC.

mary rosenblum

for 1500 words we only really deal with the two characters.

gerryd429

Looks like a short short could always expand to novel?

mary rosenblum

Sure. :-)

mary rosenblum

That's the value of playing with short shorts. Some of em are like seeds. Add a little water and stand back!

mermaid1110

For short stories is ok to tell the middle of the story to leave the reader wanting more?

mary rosenblum

Well, mermaid, as long as you resolve the conflict that drives this story in this story, you can imply a larger story that continues...

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but you can't just stop and say to your reader...stay tuned for the next installment.

mary rosenblum

Not unless your long story is serialized in subsequent issues and only one or two magazines do that anymore.

mary rosenblum

WHat happens a lot when you are starting out is that you fall in love with your original plot...

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and when you realize that your story is going to be WAY too long for the market...

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you try to shorten it by leaving things out, or using less description but you don't change the plot.

mary rosenblum

The way to do it well is to change the plot.

mary rosenblum

I usually have a target length for a story when I start it.

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If I realize this story is going to run longer than that, I go back and rethink the plot.

mary rosenblum

But at this point, I"m usually pretty accurate about judging my stories. I'm rarely wrong about the final length.

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That comes with experience.

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You'll learn how long it takes you to do a scene...word wise, I mean.

mystery2me

If I was doing the short version, I would open it as the MC

mystery2me

reports to the sheriff what he knows as the woman is in the

mystery2me

jail cell behind the sheriff. Along the lines of that.

mary rosenblum

That might work very well, mystery.

mary rosenblum

You could imply a lot of backstory between them in a brief exchange of words as the sheriff lets her out.

ptomainebrain

so it's a matter of what to leave in and what to leave out. perhaps letting someone else read the draft and when they go Huh? at a certain point, you know to add a lil more or move some things around

mary rosenblum

Exactly, ptomaine.

mary rosenblum

You'd be amazed at how much you can leave out, if you give your reader a strong landing point between jumps.

t green

we should have a contest to see who does it the best in the least amount of words... (evil grin) ... with this story idea.

mary rosenblum

Great idea, t green. :-) We did this at the six week long writers workshop I attended when I was first starting out. I won with a three sentence story: beginning, middle, end, confict. resolution.

mary rosenblum

It was a hoot.

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But don't ask me to judge it until I get my current obligation of THREE book length works all turned in. Sorry!

mary rosenblum

By focusing on the really important issues that allow the reader to guess what has happened...

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you can leave a lot out.

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But the reason short shorts are such great practice for fiction in general...

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is that most of us are really sloppy with our words when we start out. I sure was.

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You can't be sloppy with words when you're writing short short.

sailor

I'd like to see that winning 3 sentence story, Mary. Can you include it in the transcript?

mary rosenblum

Gosh, sailor, I don't have a copy of it after all these years! :-) It was something to do with a man and his wife and some kind of conflict, and then the sun went nova.

mary rosenblum

Resolution of a short...cheap trick...but when you have three sentences to work with you use cheap tricks. LOL

mary rosenblum

We' weren't trying to write great fiction in three sentences. :-) We were just having a contest.

sailor

You mean writers don't save everything they've ever written?

mary rosenblum

I should, but stuff gets lost. I've change computer operating systems enough that I don't have electronic versions of some old stuff.

mary rosenblum

I have all my published work, but lord knows where some of my unfinished drafts are. Somewhere I think.

mary rosenblum

I could insulate my house with stacks of ms pages if I kept everything, lol.

mary rosenblum

Come to think of that, it would make good insulation...

ptomainebrain

"She wouldn't shoot me," Max thought. "I only cheated on her once! She doesn't have the guts to shoo- BANG"

mary rosenblum

There you go, pto!

mary rosenblum

That's exactly the kind of thing you do in short short.

mary rosenblum

Look at all that is implied here: a long time relationship that went bad, his infidelity, his ...

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contempt that she wouldn't dare shoot him...

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and the fact that he is wrong. She IS angry and strong enough to shoot him.

mary rosenblum

Lots of character and backstory implication three sentences.

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Certainly a conflict and resolution. LOL

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Nice job.

gerryd429

Another good point...back up your stuff regularly!

mary rosenblum

Oh I do, gerry. Religiously. But I started and wrote LOTS on an Apple 2C and II GS

mary rosenblum

They don't exist any more and they were a different OS than MAC.

mary rosenblum

Well, that was a fun hour. Talk about thinking on your feet.

mary rosenblum

I just may write this story for EQ, and you're all welcome to use the idea and plot.

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They'll all be plenty different.

mystery2me

Thanks Mary-this helped alot!!!

mary rosenblum

I hope so.

mary rosenblum

Until you stumble on the magic of changing your plot, you really struggle with story length...

mary rosenblum

and just cutting words usually harms your story.

diana

the old juicer is flowing now! We gotta do this again!

mary rosenblum

Great, diana!

mary rosenblum

It was fun for me, too.

roe

Mary, quick question, off topic. How do I figure a word count. I'm entering a contest and they want about 20thousand words

mary rosenblum

Twenty thousand or two thousand, roe?

mary rosenblum

I just use my computer count.

roe

20 thousand

mary rosenblum

I assume you're keeping your chapter files separately?

mary rosenblum

Do a word count on each and add them. That's how I do novels.

roe

so that would be accurate enough

mary rosenblum

It's not supposed to be accurate, but nobody has ever complained to me and that's all I"ve ever done.

janp

This has been a fun exercise period. Thank you

arfelin

Thanks Mary, it was fun! Also thanks for the advice about the shoulder vulture at tuesday's forum. I tried it and it really works.

mary rosenblum

Good. And arfelin, always throw rocks at those pesky critters!

mary rosenblum

I hate em.

mary rosenblum

See you all Sunday, for our Sunday open chat!

mary rosenblum

Have a great weekend!

mary rosenblum

I'll post the transcript and a link to Amazon.com.

 

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