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Action Tags -- the Magic Touch 3/16/07



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Mary Rosenblum

Hello all!

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I hope spring is springing wherever you are.

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And I hope those of you who live in the non-daylight savings states have gotten your time straightened out!

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Me, I'd be happy if we had one single time year in, year out. Oh well.

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I wanted to talk about dialogue and action tags today because dialogue is probably the most universally weak skill with new writers.

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And nearly all the problems I see in dialogue and in dialogue scenes

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can be resolved with action tags.

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The problems I see most often are 'ping pong' dialogue where every line ends with he said, she said.

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Adn then there's the 'literary version' where it's he stated, she postulated, he announced

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which is even worse than he said, she said.

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Problem number two is the talking heads scene where all visuals vanish and we have two disembodied heads jabbering away in a vacuum.

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It's like closing your eyes and listening to cell phone conversation!

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You really do not need a tag line after every line of dialogue.

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Now if you have four people speaking, yes, you're going to use a lot of tags or we won't have a clue.

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But if two people are talking and that's all, you can use two or three lines of dialogue with no tag at all...

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as long as it's clear who is talking. And the context of the conversation may make it clear enough that you can go four or five lines without a tag

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but the general rule is three lines is safe, any longer without a tag and you risk making your reader count back to see who is speaker.

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Now there's a GREAT way to bump your reader right out of the story! Not good.

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An action tag is simply a glimpse of the speaker.

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Readers will assume that this person just said this line.

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"I don't know, you tell me." Carolyn shrugged.

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Here, your readers will assume that Carolyn just said 'you tell me'.

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And here, her action tag not only identifies her as the speaker, it also shows us her emotional state.

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She's expressing indifference.

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"I don't know, you tell me." Carolyn clenched her fists.

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Different tone of voice now, yes?

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So your action tag will allow the reader to hear the correct tone of voice.

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So you don't have to use things like 'she said indifferently' or 'she said angrily'.

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If you slip in a glimpse of action rather than body langauge, we're going to see the scene.

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"I don't know, you tell me." Carolyn stubbed out her cigarette in the ash tray.

geezer

If the action tag went first, would that better show the emotion and improve the flow?

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Not necessarily.

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You really do NOT want to put a 'said tag' ahead of the spoken line.

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That is VERY stilted.

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Carolyn said, "I don't know, you tell me."

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You CAN put the action tag first.

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Carolyn clenched her fists. "I don't know, you tell me."

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But readers integrate those sentences so quickly that it works either way.

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I tend to vary my action tag position according to the rhythm and flow of the sentences.

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Sometimes the action comes first, sometimes it comes after.

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This is our After Hours Forum, with me, Mary Rosenblum, your web editor I've published eight novels, more than 60 short stories, and will do my best to answer any questions you have. Tonight we're talking about action tags and dialogue. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask a Question' button or the 'word bubble' next to the red question mark at the top of the screen in order to ask a question. Your regular 'send' bar won't reach me! Or you can use /ask and type your question into the regular send bar if that works better for you..

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You can combine character emotion quite easily with setting visuals, too.

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"I don't know, you tell me." Carolyn stabbed her cigarette out on Aunt Mim's antique table.

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Clearly Carolyn is really really ticked off right now! And/or mad at Aunt Mim.

redwagon

so far you used 'clenched, stubbed, said, shrugged'...but are action tags usually past tense?

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Well most of the time, fiction is in past tense unless you're doing literary mainstream.

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It's the tense that readers notice least.

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If you're writing your story in present tense, then of course all your action tags would be in present tense.

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Those action tags are simply descriptions of action the same as the rest of your scenes.

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They're all the same tense, whichever tense you're using.

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And they are especially important in first person, where 'said tags' sound really clunky.

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I'm heading for the gym and Serena catches me in the hall.

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"Hey." She gives me this siren look. "You comin' to the dance tonight?"

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And I kind of mumble something about homework and duck past her. Close one.

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Here's the 'said' version.

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"I'm heading for the gym and Serena catches me in the hall."

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"Hey," she says as she gives me this siren look. "You coming to the dance tonight?"

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This is our After Hours Forum, with me, Mary Rosenblum, your web editor I've published eight novels, more than 60 short stories, and will do my best to answer any questions you have. Tonight we're talking about action tags and dialogue. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask a Question' button or the 'word bubble' next to the red question mark at the top of the screen in order to ask a question. Your regular 'send' bar won't reach me! Or you can use /ask and type your question into the regular send bar if that works better for you..

redwagon

Is it overload to add adverbs to the action tag? --unless within reason.

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Usually you won't need to red.

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Most of the time you can use a strong enough verb that you don't need an adverb to boost it.

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Where people run into trouble is when they use a lot of adverbs with said.... said quickly, said loudly, said angrily.

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Generally you're better off to show us the character's body language and let us hear angry or loud or whatever.

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But I do want to talk a bit about paragraphing and inadvertant action tags. I see a lot of those.

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Take the line: "Take the trash out will you?" Jane tossed her sweater onto the chair. "I'm late to a meeting." Sandy grabbed her coat.

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Who says what?

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There's no real way to tell.

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Either of these two characters could say either or both lines.

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In dialogue, whenever the speaker changes, you begin a new paragraph.

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But if Jane speaks and Sandy acts, you need to start a new paragraph with Sandy's action or we'll assume that action means Sandy spoke.

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Jane is going to say 'take the trash out, and Sandy will say 'I"m late to a meeting':

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"Take the trash out, will you?" Jane tossed her sweater onto the chair.

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"I'm late to a meeting." Sandy grabbed her coat.

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Now I'll let Jane do all the talking:

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"Take the trash out, will you?" Jane tossed her sweater onto the chair. "I'm late to a meeting."

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Sandy grabbed her coat.

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Because Sandy's action is on a new line, it tells us she did not say 'I"m late to a meeting." Jane did.

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Now I'll let Sandy do ALL the talking:

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"Take the trash out will you?"

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Jane tossed her sweater onto a chair.

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"I'm late to a meeting." Sandy grabbed her coat.

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Because Jane's action is on a new line, we realize that someone else is demanding that trash takeout.

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And Sandy clearly says 'I'm late to a meeting' (We'll assume she did the trash demand, too.)

andi

I would say jane said it that was my first thought

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When you see that on the page, about 99% or your readers will realize Jane didn't say it, because her action is a new paragraph.

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The the main rule is: New speaker = New paragraph and New actor = New paragraph

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Most people start out using said tags predominantly.

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But as your writing improves and you start using more action tags, then you may start running into paragraphing issues.

crazybasenji

Do you sometimes start a new paragraph with the same speaker?

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Sure, if your character is running at the mouth. :-) If Aunt Mia goes on and on and on without letting anyone speak as she fixes dinner

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you might need more than one paragraph.

redwagon

What about paragraph changes when the speaker speaks to multiple people in the same breath. Like my busy-body character...

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Well as long as the same person is speaking, red, you don't need to start a new paragraph.

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Just show the speaker's actions during that paragraph.

charie'

Can you start a new paragraph if the speaker changes the subject?

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Sure.

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The paragraphing is mostly to keep the reader from being confused.

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If my speaker goes on to say a second paragraph, I do try to make sure that my readers don't think someone else is talking.

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I often simply use the character's name as a tag for the first line.

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"Lets go get some dinner." Karen grabbed her coat.

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If that was the first line of Karen's second paragraph, it instantly tells the reader Karen is still speaking.

charie'

So the tag would help indicate the same speaker is continuing in the new paragraph.

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Exactly.

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Any time you think you might accidentally mislead your reader, just use a tag line with that character's name.

dim writer

What about internalazation? New paragraph?

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YOu mean internal narrative, dim?

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No reason to start a new paragraph if the POV has been speaking.

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"Yeah, Mom, I'll be happy to help out with the family reunion." Like she didn't have a sixty hour a week job already. Karen plastered a smile on her face.

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Here we have dialogue, a bit of internal narrative and an action tag.

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And between the internal narrative and that plastered smile we have no doubt about her tone of voice and her feelings about her mother's request.

redwagon

So is the action tag ALWAYS a sentence in itself?

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Yes, it is, red.

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A comma is only used if you are using a saidism...said or another word that essentially means said.

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"I don't know," she said.

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An action tag is always a complete sentence and the dialogue line ends with a period, question mark, or exclamation point

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not a comma.

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Good question, red. I almost forgot to bring that up.

builder guy

I do not use the "he said", "she said" tags at all anymore. Can you still throw one or two "he said"/ "she said's" in the story if the dialogue is long?

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Oh sure.

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It's not that they're evil!

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Sometimes the neatest and simplest way to do a line is to end it with 'he said'.

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But do that because it suits the scene.

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Where most novices run into trouble is that they use 'said tags' all the time and they're just empty words.

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If you're using visuals in your scene, they can replace the said tags and if you're not using visuals, you need to be!

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I see a LOT of talking heads scenes, believe me.

charie'

"You always let her go first," she griped.

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"It's still a said tag, you're just using another version of said here. We don't see anything.

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"You always let her go first." Ingrid pouted.

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Now we have something to look at -- Ingrid pouting.

charie'

You could use any implied synonym for said in that example and show nothing.

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Exactly. Which is why the action tags are so much more valuable than that list of 'alternate words' that your high school English teacher

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probably handed out so that you could all stop using said so often. :-)

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They're not a better solution.

redwagon

It seems I use a lot of action tags. Is there a limit? It seems to be a great way to show a character

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It is a great way to show character, red. :-) You have too many when they slow down the dialogue.

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I'll give you an example of too much action tag.

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"I don't know." Michael wandered over to the buffet and studied the breakfast spread.

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"What do you mean you don't know?" Sally picked up a plate and headed for the juice bar where she filled a glass with cranberry juice.

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"I just don't know." Michael heaped fried potatoes onto his plate.

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I hope you're all snickering about now. :-)

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This is like slowing down a tape. They seem to speak veeeerrrrryyy slllooowwwllly.

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Their conversation would go 'beat' 'beat' 'beat' but the excessive action has put huge pauses in between.

robastor

I wish I could go back and tell my teachers using all those words weren't a better idea. LOL

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Yeah, me too. :-) It's amazing what you end up 'undoing' later on.

builder guy

Oh I agree with the action tags. My question was about long dialogue. I don't want to put an action word on every response.

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Exactly builder. Otherwise you'll get something that's about as ridiculous as the example I just gave.

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The story has to flow.

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Said is fine.

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Just use plenty of action tags, and insert said where needed.

charie'

Sounds like a british public television broadcast. Sloooow.

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LOL charie'

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Remember nothing is forbidden in writing.

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Some of the stuff, like these action tags, work much of the time, but not always.

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But most people don't use them at all.

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I'm not telling you NEVER to use said again! :-)

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But do use said consciously as a choice becuase that's what the scene needs.

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Don't just do it because that's all you know how to do.

charie'

Aren't these tags serving double duty? As alternatives to "said" and to keep the visuals going?

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Triple duty, charie. They identify the speaker, show us the scene, deepen the characterization.

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Valuable little critters they are.

ashton

I'm still smiling at the above example. I know someone who talks like that...slllloooowww. It's all I can do to be around them without wanting to bolt into another room to escape. lol.

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Yes, I can think of one or two like that. They would have made good Ents.

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Action tags will add more to your prose than just about any single technique.

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They'll really improve your dialogue.

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And no said needed. I see a lot of "I don't know," John said as he pulled off his boots.

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What a lot of 'empty' words here!

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"I don't know." John pulled off his boots.

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Well, this has been a fun Forum and I hope it helps you all write stronger dialogue. :-)

robastor

If a character is like that, slow and evasive, it could be used as a dramatic effect, couldn't it?

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Sure. Just as you can use passive voice on purpose to create a sense of weakness or time passage.

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Just don't do it automatically.

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I'll post the transcripts in the usual place:

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Do join us on Sunday for our open chat.

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It's a lot of fun. I look forward to it all week.

charie'

Leaving you with a last visual. An Ent on valium. : - )

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Oh, lordy. You could nap between words!

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Night all! See you on Sunday!

charie'

Rip Van Winkle could nap between words.

 

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