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Working With Dialogue 1/9/07

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Sun Jan 07 20:34:50 2007

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Tue Jan 09 16:19:27 2007



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Mary Rosenblum

Welcome to our Tuesday Lunchbox Forum.

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I hope you've all recovered from the holidays. :-)

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Time to make use of these short days to spend some of those 'dark hours' working on writing.

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Set a story in a nice warm bright location.

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See if a little virtual sunshine doesn't perk you up.

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I wanted to revisit dialogue today because it continues to be a stumbling block for a lot of novice writers.

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It's a very powerful tool in fiction and worth mastering.

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Dialogue in an excellent way to deepen characterization as well as

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feeding the reader a lot of necessary information.

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But in order to do that, it has to sound like real people talking.

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I see a couple of very typical problems in novice dialogue.

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Probably the most common is the 'talking heads syndrome'.

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This is when we have a long conversation of alternating lines of dialogue and absolutely no visuals.

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sorrry folks

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My power went out so I'm now back with my laptop and dialup

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anyway....as I was saying, a lot of dialogue without any visuals gives the effect of talking heads

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In real life, people see at the same time they hear the conversation and that is what you want to create with your prose.

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So you need to interrupt your lines of dialogue with beats of visual action.

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This also allows you to show the body language of the characters. THat body language allows readers to hear the correct tone of voice

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without you haveing to say 'he said angrily' or 'she said rudely'. \

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Remember that the more you allow readers to figure things out from what they 'see' and 'hear' in the scene, the less you 'tell'.

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"I really don't think I'm going to do that." Carol shrugged.

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Carol isn't too upset, probably. So we'll hear more or less a neutral tone.

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"I really don't think I"m going to do that." Carol's face went white.

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Carol is probably quite upset. We're going to hear a very different tone here.

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This is how you can reveal a non-POV character's emotions, by the way, without having to violate pov and hop into his/her head.

geezer

In your example, does it make a difference whether Carol's action goes first or second?

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Good question, geeze. For 'action tags' like that, with no 'said' word, they work equally well before or after the spoken line.

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BUT...putting any 'said' word ahead of the line makes the dialogue sound very 'told'.

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This is another common novice mistake.

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She said, "I'm going to go home now."

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"I'm

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"I'm going to go home now," she said.

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When the 'said' tag comes after the line, the reader skims over it, barely noticing it (unless you overuse it)

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When it comes in front of the line it is obviously you, the author, intruding, announcing 'she is going to speak now'.,

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This makes your dialogue seem very stilted unless you are doing an authorial narrative.

info

Is it ever alright to put 'he/she said' if the person is doing something at the same time or is it always better to start a fresh sentence with the action?

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Don't use 'said' unless you really need to. It's an empty word, it reminds the reader that you the author are lurking about in this story. \

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If you're going to use an action tag... 'She slammed the door'...

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why throw in the extra empty words 'she said as she slammed the door?

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Said as she add nothing to the visual impact here...they remind us an author is talking. \

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Ideally, you want the readers to start seeing the action and forget they're reading.

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The other thing to remember is that you only need to use an identifying tag line often enough that the readers

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don't lose track of who is speaking.

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I see a lot of 'ping pong' dialogue. \

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Want to get a coke? he asked.

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Sure, she said.

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Meet me at the corner in five minutes, he said.

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Okay, she said.

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Ping...pong...ping...pong....

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If only two people are speaking, you don't need that many tag lines to identify the speaker.

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Certainly not one every line!

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And here, action tags would have made this read much more smoothly.

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Want to get a coke? he asked.

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"Sure." She grinned.

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"Meet me at the corner in five minutes."

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"Okay." She watched him hurry off. He had blushed, like the coke was a big date. He was so cute. She closed up her locker and headed to history class.,

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Here I added her thoughts. (She is the POV character here).

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She noticed that he blushed and thinks he's cute.

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This is the third leg of the 'dialogue tripod'...words, actions, and thought.

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Pay attention to your conversations. How often are you carrying on a running mental commentary as you speak.

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This is one of the ways you can deepen characterization in your POV character, but dialogue will deepen characterization for all your characters, POV or not.

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Much of what we learn about people we learn through what they say.

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You reveal your likes, dislikes, and personal prejudices through your word choices.

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THis is why it's critical to develop an individual voice for each character you create.

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If you don't do that consciously guess what? They'll all sound like you and that character will

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seem to have your world view and personal prejudices.

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Which is okay if they match, but if they don't match, it will make your character seem cardboard and unreal.

snow

how much dialogue should a story have?

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That depends on the story, snow.

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Some stories are more action driven than others, and some stories may be very internal with little dialogue at all.

builder guy

Do you have to start a new paragraph every time a new character starts to speak in a story.

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Yes, builder, and thanks for bringing this up. I see this problem a lot.

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Readers learn early that a new paragraph indicates a new speaker.

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If you don't do that, the reader will hear the same voice speaking and when he/she realizes that someone else is talking

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that reader will have to 'rehear' the words in the new voice. Boy does that break up the flow of the story!

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Not good.

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But I also see a lot of new writers who indent EVERY new line of dialogue even if the speaker has not changed. \

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That's just as problematic.

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Readers will hear a new voice speaking, then have to 'rehear' that line when they realize it's still the same speaker.

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So you indent and begin a new paragraph ONLY when the speaker changes.

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So the things to keep in mind are: Dialogue is a tripod composed of words spoken, thoughts, and bodylanguage.

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Balance visual beats with spoken lines so that the readers see and hear the scene simultaneously.

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Begin a new paragraph when the speaker changes.

info

What about if there is no one speacking and action taking place? Shouldn't you start a new paragraph if the action changes a little?

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Well, info, exposition has its own rules of paragraphing. Usually you begin a new paragraph when the 'topic' changes.

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That's a more subjective issue for most writers and editors.

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The paragraphing rules for dialogue are more cut and dried -- new speaker/new paragraph.

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Alas, I am about out of batter power, so I'll have to exit here.

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I was hoping the power would come back on.

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If you have more questions about dialogue, you can visit the newsletter (new issue is up) and email me from there.

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If you go to the 'ask Mary' section, you'll find an email link.

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(actually there are several email links)

 

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