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Planting Backstory Seeds 10/3/06

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Tue Oct 03 12:01:00 2006

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Tue Oct 03 13:01:42 2006



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mary rosenblum

Hello all.

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I hope you all had a good weekend.

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We had quite a crowd here Sunday night for our casual chat. :-) They're a lot of fun.

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This is the Tuesday Forum with me Mary Rosenblum LR Web Editor, fiction and nonfiction writer. We're talking about planting backstory. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the Ask a Question button or the word bubble next to the red question mark at the top of the screen, or use the ask a question icon in order to ask a question. Your regular send bar won't reach me! You can also type /ask in front of your question in your regular send bar to reach me

mary rosenblum

I wanted to talk about backstory. For nearly all of us, when we're first starting to write fiction, backstory is hard to master.

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You have to find a balance between too much and too little. And the temptation is to tell all.

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Too much backstory means you don't leave a lot for the reader to discover later on...and will often give away your plot!

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Too little means your readers flounder around searching for clues rather than paying attention to what is going on.

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But you're better off to err on the side of 'too little' rather than 'too much'.

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Human curiosity is a major driving force for your readers. We are full of curiosity and slowly discovering a main character's past is a pastime most readers find engaging. :-)

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What many novice writers try to do, is to simply tell all the backstory right away, before the story begins.

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This is a very common mistake and I see it all the time in the manuscripts of novice writers.

onepozy

Can you spread a back story over several chapters

mary rosenblum

Absolutely, one.

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You can keep on inserting backstory right up to the climax of your story or your novel.

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Remember that if you hide some aspects of the backstory, that may increase the suspense of the story...why is this character doing this?

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As the backstory emerges, it begins to explain behavior that may seem puzzling.

telcontar

lol... what do you do when the character refuses to explain his backstory?

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Well, tel, it

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it's time for some tough love. I would send my character to his/her room and tell that character that the story will continue after we all know the backstory.

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Your character can hide it from the readers.

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But YOU need to know or that character's behavior will be inconsistant and that character will seem unreal, a plot puppet, to the reader.

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Remember, that while it's fun to pretend that your characters are independent entities, you really are responsible for knowing them well enough to make them seem real to the reader.

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They may seem real to you, but that translation to the reader is the critical part! :-)

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It's true that sometimes it takes awhile to come up with the character's backstory.

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I often get partway into a story or novel, realize I need to create my character more deeply, and shelve that project until...

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I have done that to my satisfaction.

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This is the Tuesday Forum with me Mary Rosenblum LR Web Editor, fiction and nonfiction writer. We're talking about planting backstory. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the Ask a Question button or the word bubble next to the red question mark at the top of the screen, or use the ask a question icon in order to ask a question. Your regular send bar won't reach me! You can also type /ask in front of your question in your regular send bar to reach me

mary rosenblum

You handle initial backstory quite differently in short fiction than you do in novel form.

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In short fiction, it is very rare that a 'backstory start' will work.

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Many new short story writers try to start off with a 'who/where/when/what' start and only then get into the story plot.

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However, in short fiction, with its limited length, it's much more important to start with a plot element -- action or dialogue -- and weave that who/where/when/why into the first scene.

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Readers are very willing to wait for those backstory puzzle pieces.

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Of course you do need to start weaving them in right away.

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The first scene of a short story is always the most work for me. Especially in SF, where I need to create a world and new technology, I have to design a first scene

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that permits me to weave in sufficient backstory that my reader doesn't drown!

speckledorf

Is there a way to decide just how much backstory we need to start with?

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The best way, speck, is to ask yourself 'what MUST my reader know in order for this scene to work'?

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Say we have a woman opening the door to a barn and finding a dead body.

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What MUST we know here?

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Not much really. She's going to run to the house and call 911 or use her cell phone.

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All we need to know RIGHT NOW is that she does or does not recognize the dead person. We don't need to know anything about her past, her job, her marital status...anything.

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We don't have to create the universe...this is the usual real world.

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Later on, as she deals with homicide, we can find out more about her...the detectives will ask her questions.

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She'll probably think about this experience, and if she recognizes the person, of course we'll learn a lot more.

janecj333

Maybe she booby-trapped the barn and was hoping to catch the intruder. Maybe the body is her clone and she's been desperate waiting for her arrival.

mary rosenblum

And if that was the case, you'd have to weave that in within her reaction.

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She has planned this, and when she sees the body, her reactions, both physical and mental, will fill that story in for us...

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but not necessarily in depth.

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All we might need in that case is a 'ah, got him! The SOB'. And then she pulls out her cell and calls 911. :-)

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Later on, as she's neatly evading the detectives' questions she can reveal more to us about how and why she planned this. :-)

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In Jane's version, we DO need the backstory of her plot to kill this person in order to understand the scene.

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In the first example, we don't need to know anything about her background or the victim's background...the obvious murder is enough.

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If you're creating a universe...a fantasy world or a SF future...you have to give much more thought to what you need to include.

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Again, less is more.

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What MUST the reader know in order for this to make sense?

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Stop there.

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Weave more details in later.

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The history of a country, the nature of its ruler...you probably don't need much of this right away.

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Now in a novel, you have all of chapter one to bring readers up to speed as far as your backstory goes...

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although, again, don't be tempted to thoroughly reveal every last item of your characters' history.

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Remember...curiosity keeps readers reading!

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And if they know TOO much about your characters' nature, they'll guess what's going to happen.

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An obvious skeleton in your character's closet, one he or she doesn't want to deal with, is an enticing foreshadowing of interesting revelations to come.

mary rosenblum

This is the Tuesday Forum with me Mary Rosenblum LR Web Editor, fiction and nonfiction writer. We're talking about planting backstory. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the Ask a Question button or the word bubble next to the red question mark at the top of the screen, or use the ask a question icon in order to ask a question. Your regular send bar won't reach me! You can also type /ask in front of your question in your regular send bar to reach me

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Charie, who couldn't be here today, sent me a question.

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Charie asked: What if the backstory is a secondary plot thread?

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Well, a plot thread is a plot thread, and you weave it into the main plot the same way you'd weave in any backstory.

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Often, backstory is a strong secondary plot thread.

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If your MC is hoping to run into the man who killed his father as he serves in the army, even though he's involved with a different main plot thread...

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we're going to receive hints that this is going on, and at some point, this secondary 'backstory plot' may climax with a confrontation...

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that may be entwined with the main plot. (I would certainly hope it was entwined with the main plot!)

tarsus

When you say less is more, would that also apply if the supernatural is part of the story? I mean, would introducing the ghost now, for example, too much overshadow the crime scene?

mary rosenblum

Oh, not at all Tarsus.

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If the ghost is part of your plot, a major player, then introducing that ghost at the crime scene is fine.

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I would not go into the nature of ghosts, what the afterlife is like, even how this ghost became a ghost.

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One glimpse to start with might be just fine.

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This is the Tuesday Forum with me Mary Rosenblum LR Web Editor, fiction and nonfiction writer. We're talking about planting backstory. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the Ask a Question button or the word bubble next to the red question mark at the top of the screen, or use the ask a question icon in order to ask a question. Your regular send bar won't reach me! You can also type /ask in front of your question in your regular send bar to reach me.

onepozy

Would you have a backstory for some secondary characters

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Actually, one, I develop backstory for all my characters, even the spear carriers. :-) But it won't all show up in the story...unless it's necessary and appropriate.

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But it helps me make their behavior consistent as they act.

janecj333

Some stories start where it's dark and we can't identify even the mc, or where the character is trapped and can't be seen, can't move or act. How can we handle that ?

mary rosenblum

Ah, good question, Jane. And in first person, we won't know what that character looks like.

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That's fine.

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You really don't need to give readers a lot of physical description...each reader is going to see the character that pleases him/her.

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BUT...

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You want to be sure you are all on the same page regarding a few key details.

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If your character is in the dark or you're writing in first person, make sure your readers know that character's gender.

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Start there. And if you're using a MC who is not your gender, it's doubly important.

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If you're in third person, this isn't an issue. :-)

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Pronouns are a nice thing.

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In first it IS an issue.

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If your character is floundering in the dark, don't worry about details. Maybe he'll push a tangle of hair back from his sweaty face...so now we know he has long hair...

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or she stands on tiptoe to reach for something (she's short)...

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Or he grabs something and he swings himself easily up through a window. (he's athletic)

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The trick is to wait for the end of your hook scene in a short story.

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Plan a following scene that gives your readers a bit of a breather and allows you to weave in the backstory readers need to continue.

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In a novel, where you have that complete chapter to introduce your first plot element...

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it's still a good idea to have your character doing some kind of action at the start of the chapter.

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Pick something that is going to engage the readers. It may be your first plot element, or may be some slightly related...

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activity that will lead up to your first plot element.

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But give readers something to look at as you weave in backstory.

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A long narrative opening describing the MC's childhood, fears, current job, girlfriend, and what have you, is not likely to compell readers to carry this book to the cash register and pay money for it.

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This is the Tuesday Forum with me Mary Rosenblum LR Web Editor, fiction and nonfiction writer. We're talking about planting backstory. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the Ask a Question button or the word bubble next to the red question mark at the top of the screen, or use the ask a question icon in order to ask a question. Your regular send bar won't reach me! You can also type /ask in front of your question in your regular send bar to reach me.

mary rosenblum

Let's go back to our body-in-the-barn example.

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If I was doing that as a short story, I'd start with the MC opening the door and finding the body.

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If this is going to be chapter one of a mystery novel, I might have my MC doing what she normally does...let's say she's a sheep farmer.

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She goes about some tasks, but I'd do my best to add some suspense...the sheep are behaving oddly or her sheep dog is...

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or something else is wrong in her life and she's worried about it. So I'd have the actions of her everyday morning chores

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to carry reader interest with hopefully as sense of trouble pending to keep readers engaged as they learn necessary backstory.

speckledorf

Whatever backstory we use it should do the enhance setting, advance plot and deepen characterization tripod right?

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Well, it shouldn't be a scene on its own, speck.

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That rarerly works except in flashback, and flashback has its own price.

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Your scene should adhere to all these and the backstory is extra.

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Where writers run into trouble is when a scene is all backstory.

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It does NOT advance the plot, it merely fills in the past.

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It probably doesn't enhance the setting -- not if the author is telling us about this character's history.

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Yes, it is going to deepen the characterization, but that's one out of three 'tripod legs'. Not a strong scene at all.

janecj333

What kind of backstory is most crucial once we do use it?

mary rosenblum

The only crucial backstory is 'what must the reader know for this to work'.

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MUST is the key.

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And of course, that's going to vary from story to story.

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If you develop a really three dimensional character, you're going to know tons of cool backstory.

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But the iceberg metaphor applies.

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Only the tip of that backstory iceberg should show up in the story.

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What is hard is to leave out cool stuff you thought up. Yeah, it's going to add to what we know about the character...no kidding!

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But remember...it's the story that comes first.

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If that backstory adds to the characterization but bogs down the story, it shouldn't be there.

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You can reveal that three dimensional character without using all the details you've made up.

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If the childhood trauma in your MC's past is going to directly influence her actions in a crucial scene...

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then we need to know about that past, or at least know that something bad happened back then.

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If it does not influence her actions in the story, but is simply part of what makes her who she is...

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we may not need to know what. It may be quite sufficient to see her as someone who is more wary and personally defended than most people.

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The 'why' for that may be interesting, but may not be important enough to add to the story.

janecj333

How about using internal monologue in the opening scene to enrich the reader's understanding?

mary rosenblum

I see that a lot in novice fiction, jane. It is very rarely done in such a way that it works. Narrative is narrative, whether you are talking or your character is thinking.

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We're simply listening.

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You are much better off to weave small fragments of that internal narrative into strong action.

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Remember...you don't need much backstory to get the story rolling.

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Weave it in over the next scenes.

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This is the Tuesday Forum with me Mary Rosenblum LR Web Editor, fiction and nonfiction writer. We're talking about planting backstory. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the Ask a Question button or the word bubble next to the red question mark at the top of the screen, or use the ask a question icon in order to ask a question. Your regular send bar won't reach me! You can also type /ask in front of your question in your regular send bar to reach me.

mary rosenblum

Where it may work better is in a first person narrative.

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That is a form of telling. Your first person POV is telling you a story or talking to himself/herself as he/she acts.

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If the narrator is telling readers about something that happened in the past, you can get away with that 'this is me' start...

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but only if you have a strong character voice (which you'd better have or first person is not your best choice!)

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BUT...if you do the first person that is essentially the character thinking to himself/herself as he/she deals with the plot...

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then your POV may not have reason to think about his/her past life much.

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And you face the same backstory issues that you do in third person.

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This is the Tuesday Forum with me Mary Rosenblum LR Web Editor, fiction and nonfiction writer. We're talking about planting backstory. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the Ask a Question button or the word bubble next to the red question mark at the top of the screen, or use the ask a question icon in order to ask a question. Your regular send bar won't reach me! You can also type /ask in front of your question in your regular send bar to reach me.

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The best way to achieve that tightrope balance of too much/too little is from informed reader input.

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In other words, you need to give the story to people and ask them, after they have read it, did you understand this? Was it clear why this is happening? Did you get it, why my character did whatever?

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And finally: Was there enough backstory or too much?

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Now you're going to get a wide range of responses on that last one. :-)

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Some readers love action and are impatient with backstory...they just want the characters to act.

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Other readers are more curious and internal and they like lots of backstory.

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So you need to find that balance where the 'action only' folk aren't turned off by all that introspective musing and the 'more backstory' people get enough to feel that the character is real. :-)

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You are NEVER going to please everyone!

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Well, we're going to have to end this Forum in a few minutes...I have to stick to a 'real world' hour now. :-)

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Any last questions on backstory before we wrap up?

janecj333

Now that you mention first person pov where everything is essentially 'told' to the reader, it gives me more insight into backstory in 3rd person pov and why it's so tempting to use.

mary rosenblum

No kidding, Jane!

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It takes some time and practice to really separate 'first person technique' from 'third person technique'.

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Narrative is an important part of third person POV, but you need to use it sparingly and you need to use powerful narrative that adds to the story rather than convenient...

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narrative that simply short-cuts something you should show with a bit more work. :-)

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Use character dialogue and your MC's reaction to events, comments to reveal a lot of your backstory.

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You can 'show' most of it, and the occasional internal narrative can illuminate still more.

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Just avoid the temptation to have that character muse at length in third person. That really brings the momentum to a grinding halt.

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One of the most common 'problem starts' I see in both short story and novel is the strong action hook...

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followed by pages of internal narrative as the MC lays out all the backstory. *YAWN*

tolkienlvr

Mary - It would be interesting to have a forum on showing character's emotions effectively - making them believable - writing our characters believably...

mary rosenblum

Your wish, Tolkien! :-) I will schedule it!

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tolkienlvr

Can we do the character forum on a Tuesday please - I must work day job on Fridays. : ) Thanks!!!! I look forward to it!

mary rosenblum

Will do, Tolkien. I'll schedule it for our next Tuesday Forum.

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Lessee...that'll beTuesday, October 17. :-)

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We'll talk about how to make your readers hear your character's tone of voice, so that you don't have to say 'he said angrily', too. :-)

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Have a good week, all!

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Work on that backstory, and have a good week all!

 

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