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Cardboard Characters NOT! 6/8/07


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Mary Rosenblum

Hello all!

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Welcome to our Friday After Hours forum.

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I hope you've all had a very good week.

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I thought I'd talk about characters and characterization yet again, since real, three dimensional characters are the foundation of strong writing

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whether you're writing fiction, personal memoir, autobiography, or personal narratives.

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Every book on writing will tell you that you need strong characters but the 'how' of that is very complex.

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What you are doing when you create a character is introducing a stranger to your readers.

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Think about how you get to know a stranger, how you decide if this newcomer is someone you like or whether you think you'll avoid him or her.

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Appearance is usually our first evaluation.

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Clothing, personal cleanliness, skin color -- they all tell us things about this stranger.

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Then --at the same time, really -- we notice the body posture.

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Does this person swagger, stand up straight and proud, lean forward agressively?

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Does this stranger look you squarely in the eyes, or does that glance want to shift away from yours?

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Are the gestures choppy and angry or relaxed, mellow, or is the person slow and sleepy, not really paying much attention to the surroundings?

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Now our stranger says hello! We chat. What kind of grammar and local idiom does this person use?

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Does the stranger sound educated? Uneducated? Strong accent?

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Now what do his/her words suggest? Intolerance? Is this someone who seems tolerant of everybody?

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The more we talk the more the word choices fill in the blanks.

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Kids are brats. Or they're kids. Or little sweethearts.

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Dogs are mutts, or Beagles or German Shepherd mixes or just dogs.

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By the time we've chatted for a half hour, we know a lot about this person.

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You want to do the same thing with your characters on the page.

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Your readers meet this stranger. They see his/her appearance and clothing.

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They notice the body language. Wimp? Bully? Someone with authority?

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They hear the language. High school education? College professor? Dropped out at eighth grade? Gang-banger?

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They listen to the conversation... doesn't care much about anybody else, has a huge sense of responsibility, hates women, is afraid of men...

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Voila. You have a nice, solid, three dimensional character.

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Appearance. Body-language. Language. Conversation. And of course we have that person's actions as they participate in the plot.

reece

If I decided to use an accent for one of my characters should I write the dialogue with the accent or have the readers infer that there is a accent? Especially if it is amade up language?

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It's hard to 'write' an accent without a lot of phonetic spelling which is really kind of annoying to readers

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who want to get lost in your story and start living it.

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You can infer that accent.

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When you first introduce the character, use phonetic spelling and really try to write the accent so that if the scene is read aloud, you'll hear it.

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Then fade it out.

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Use the construction of the language or regional dialect with the occasional phonetic rendering, but don't try to get every word right phonetically.

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That first 'immersion' into the dialect or accent will imprint it on the readersand then the occasional phonetic spellings will remind them.

reece

what if the person has a lisp or is a small child that says things incorrectly? then can I continue to use it in dialogue?

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Sure Reece. You want the character to sound like that person NOT like you.

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So a kid will talk like a kid not like an adult.

cls68

Do you create character outlines before writing your story?

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More than outlines, cls. Even for short fiction, I know my character's entire life, hopes, dreams, fears, regrets, life goals before I ever start the story.

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You really need to know your character in depth or he/she will simply be a plot puppet and mindlessly do whatever the plot demands.

dim writer

Mary,sss1208 is asking for an example. Thank-you

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an example of what, sss?

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try typing /ask in front of your question in the regular send bar.

geezer

How often should you refresh the reader's memory that the character has a dialect? Every scene? Every few paragraphs?

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You have to kind of play it by ear, geeze.

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If you listen to your character until you can hear his/her voice in your head, you'll automatically use the contractions, idiom, or what have you

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where that person would use them in his/her speech.

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If you use /ask in the regular send bar (not the ask a question bar) you can type a LONG question!

sss1208

the question you answered about construction of the language and using phonetics sparingly

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Well, y'know, I didn't get a lot a education when I was a kid but I just say what's on my mind, you know? Ya either get it or ya don't get it. I ain't gonna mess with folk that gotta have fancy book talk.

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I could make that REALLY phonetic and it would be much harder to read.

reece

some witers vividly detail a charactors dress while other barely give any decription at all. Do you think it is more effective to give that vivid decription or is it a bit superfulous

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It entirely depends on the POV character Reece, as well as the nature of the scene.

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If you're using first or limited third POV, the main character will notice only those details that he/she notices.

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If the main character is a wedding planner, she's going to notice a LOT of details as the bride steps into the church.

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If the main character is a male cousin, he might not notice a whole lot about the dress.

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If the main character is the gardener who's secretly in love with the bride, he might not notice dress details but he'll notice her face, figure, and expression.

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If you are in the POV of the male cousin who is only here because his mom made him attend and you describe the dress in excessive detail it will sound SO phony.

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How do you develop personality profiles?

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Think about that person a lot.

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What is this person like?

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What events shaped him? What was his childhood like? What is he afraid of? What does he want from life, what is success to him?

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What did he do from the time he was born until now?

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The more you know about this person, the more his/her reactions to events will be consistent.

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Believe me, we're all experts on consistent human behavior. We study it every waking moment, even if we're not conscious of it.

jjj

If I am writing a personal experience on illness, can I use the real names of Doctors and Hospitals?

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Sure, jjj.

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Real names are fine as long as you do not libel someone.

cbert

can I go back to knowing your characters please? If you know so much about your characters before writing, how long does it take before you actually start writing?

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It depends cbert. Often I know a character pretty quickly. I might wander around for a couple of days to a week thinking about him/her at odd moments

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and making notes.

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I tend to spend more time on novel characters, but it's something I do nonstop from the time I conceive of the story and decide on the MC to

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the time I start writing. I constantly come back to this person while I'm doing other things and think about him/her, the past, his/her reactions to situations

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that might occur in the story. That character's history, and so forth

dim writer

Mary, What if your character is a ghost?

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No different than any other character. You decide who he is, what motivates him, what has shaped him in this stage of life. You get to make all your own rules of course. :-)

charie'

Do you picture the obstacles your character will face in your story and develop their personality accordingly?

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I sure do, charie. I tossed out an entire novel draft and deleted if from my hard drive because I had tried to use a character who did not work as a MC for the novel.

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That HURT.

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Now I spend a lot of time twisting and tugging on my new character to see if he or she will bend the way he/she will need to bend in the plot.

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If I don't have the right character for the story, I drop that one and come up with a new one who will work.

info

Maybe a bit off subject, but I got a little confused about usage of 's'. If mc uses the word family in a sentence in regards to belonging to them, do you end the word ies or y's? Ex: I don't know where the family's dog is.

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The Y apostrophe S is the possessive singular, info. :-) A particular family's dog.

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The ...ies ending is plural.

charie'

Do you have any characters waiting in the wings for plots they can star in?

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Sometimes, charie. They're all well placed in stories right now. :-)

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Usually if a cool character occurs to me I'll find a story for that person. :-)

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If I come up with a good story idea, I'll find cool characters to do it.

reece

if you have a lot of central characters do you do you do indepth character outlines on each of them or will a small summary of each work well enough?

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oops...an extra do you in there, reece. :-)

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Because I write character driven rather than plot driven fiction, I tend to have most of the time a fairly small cast of central characters.

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I have four in the novel I just finished.

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I know them all with equal intimacy.

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If you're going to have a HUGE cast of characters, yes, you are likely to run into trouble with reader overload.

dim writer

What comes first the character or the idea?

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It varies, dim. Lately I have been starting with ideas first just because I've been invited into a bunch of anthologies with themes, and because I've run

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into a lot of cool science stuff I wanted to incorporate into stories.

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Sometimes it's the other way around.

charie'

Is there a big difference in how much detail you know about the mc versus the secondary characters and the background characters?

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YES! I know tons more about the MC. You need to be cautious about investing too heavily in your supporting characters.

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I have had students who put too much into their secondary characters to the point where readers really couldn't tell who was important to the story and who was a secondary.

charie'

Has a supporting character ever taken over the leading role?

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I give them their own story when they want to do that. :-)

janecj333

I tried reading The Poisonwood Bible recently, in which the mother and children are all pov characters. It was the dad, however, who was the interesting one...and they never let us see into his soul. It was a disappointment.

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Sometimes writers make good POV choices, sometimes they don't Jane!

lore alley

Mary, I've been trying to tweak a story's MCs so they respond appropriately for over a year and yet I still can't seem to get them right. Am I a misfit? Or do these things sometimes just take a LONG time till you get that "aha" moment? And is there anything I can do to speed it along?

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Ah, I think I'd have lost patience a long time ago, lore, and replaced the ingrate with a new and different character. Sometimes that's your hind-brain whispering 'you've go the wrong person'.

janecj333

Do your four mc's trade off pov?

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Three of them.

cbert

What does POV mean?

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Point of View cbert.

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The point of view character is the character through whose eyes we see the action.

reece

I have many key characters in a book I'm writing do you have any tips on how to keep them unique and distictive without putting to much personality that there is overload.

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Well reece, even in a Big Fantasy with lots of characters, usually only a small number are central characters and they are the most deeply drawn.

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If you have too many characters who are equally strong to the readers, you divide reader attention up to the point where no character really matters much.

janecj333

What would you say are the main reasons to use multiple pov in a novel?

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Oh, you have good reasons. :-) You can give your readers different perspectives on the same problem, you can take your readers to places where the other

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charaters might not go, you can show the readers things that they would not see otherwise.

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I started out writing pretty much single POV novels, but a I gained skill in the craft and in characterization I found that more than one strong POV character gave my novels a lot more breadth.

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Now too many can be a disaster.

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And there's nothing wrong with a single POV novel.

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Mystery is nearly always single POV.

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It just depends on what you are trying to achieve. There is no one-size-fits-all in writing ever.

sss1208

off subject, how do we find your novels? are they under your name?

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SF is Mary Rosenblum , mystery is Mary Freeman. If you go to my website www.maryrosenblum.com they are up there with amazon.com links.

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So think about how you meet a stranger, and what that stranger does that makes you decide whether you like him or not.

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You use those same steps to let your readers decide whether they like your character or not. (And of course you work hard at making the readers do what you want them to)

cls68

Why did you choose to use different last names?

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Oh, when I started writing mystery, I thought it would keep my SF readers from getting a mystery when they expected SF. Turns out I shouldn't have bothered but

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it's too late to undo it now.

reece

if i write a book with a sequel should i write a indepth prologue so the readers can get to know my characters if they didn't read the last one or should I just expect that most readers wiil be readers of the first?

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Goodness don't do that prologue, reece! Your loyal readers who read book one will boycott you!

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No, your job as author is to manage to allow your new readers to get to know all your characters without boring your loyal readers who already know them.

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Sound like a challenge? It is! :-)

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Whoever said writing is easy?

charie'

Is using the thoughts/emotional reaction of your mc to new characters a good way to demonstrate whether the new character is good or bad?

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Yes. Internal narrative, either a first person POV's asides or the thoughts of the third person POV, are a great way to give the readers

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insights. Just don't overdo it. A little thought goes a long way.

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Well, I have to bolt off to tutor tonight. :-)

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Nice scenes. I am going to have to work hard!

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Have a good weekend, all, and I'll see you Sunday!

 

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