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Mary Rosenblum
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Hello, all!
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I'm glad you all could make it!
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Tonight my guest is Veda Boyd
Jones.
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Veda Boyd Jones is the author
of eight inspirational romances for Heartsong Presents and five novellas.
Her Callie's Mountain won the 1995 best contemporary award (voted on by
readers). It's just been re-issued with a sequel, Callie's Challenge. She
has worked for Heartsong as a content reader for historical inspirational
romance novels. Jones also writes fiction and nonfiction for children.
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She's here to talk to us about
Inspirational Romance...and to answer questions about Romance and writing
in general.
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Veda, welcome!
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We're so pleased to have you
here tonight.
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Veda Boyd Jones
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Hi, Mary, and hi to all you
writers.
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Mary Rosenblum
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I was intrigued by Heartsong.
Is it a publisher or a book club or both?
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Veda Boyd Jones
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Heartsong is an imprint of Barbour Books
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It's a book club that comes
out with four titles every four weeks
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and after about five months,
those same books are released for retail at bookstores.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Heartsong Presents Christian
Publisher
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What a very cool marketing
idea!
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It's sort of like selling to a bookclub
and a regular publisher at the same time.
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Veda Boyd Jones
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Yes, it's been very successful
for Barbour.
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Mary Rosenblum
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So how did you get started in
writing?
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Veda Boyd Jones
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Like many writers, I read a
romance and said, "I can do better than that!: Of course
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it wasn't easy. I wrote four
complete romances before
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I sold the fifth one.
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Mary Rosenblum
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That's not a bad break-in
record! :-)
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speckledorf
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That's a lot of books! Are they
actively seeking writers?
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Veda Boyd Jones
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Barbour is seeking writers for
Heartsong.
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The editors are delighted to
find a new writer with talent.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Here are their guidelines.
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I know we have a lot of
aspiring romance writers out there.
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ashton
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Hi Veda! Welcome! I'm very
excited you've joined us tonight. Inspirational romance is one of my loves.
About how long does it take you to go from first draft to the completed
book?
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Veda Boyd Jones
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I can write an inspirational
in about four months
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and that includes about five
revisions.
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I do a lot of plotting before
I start writing.
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It saves a lot of time once I
get going.
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When I begin the writing, I
just keep going.
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I read what I wrote the day
before, edit a bit, and take off from that point.
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I rarely end a scene at the
end of a day.
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I find if I'm in the middle of
something
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it's easier to jump back in
the next day.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Those are very good
tips...about doing your plotting first and quitting in the middle of a
scene. I use them both myself
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but I can't beat you on time.
:-) Takes me longer than four months.
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Veda Boyd Jones
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My first book took eight
months, but I'm faster now.
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jameso
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Do you write short fiction or
books only?
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Veda Boyd Jones
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I write both, and for all
levels of readers.
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I've written short romance
stories for Woman's World
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and I've written novellas for
Barbour Book anthologies.
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I've also written quite a bit
for children's magazines and thirtysome children's books from high school
to first grade level.
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Mary Rosenblum
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I noticed those novellas, and
wondered if they were for anthologies or were short stand alones.
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jyinxy
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Is Heartsong compeletly
Christian based?
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Veda Boyd Jones
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Yes. Heartsong must have an
inspirational message. If the characters aren't
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Christian, they must be at the
end of the story.
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I have never written a
conversion story. I usually base my novels
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around a theme of forgiveness
or acceptance or compromise.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Let's lay down a foundation
here...would you define 'Inspirational Romance' for us?
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Veda Boyd Jones
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Hmmmm.
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Inspiration Romance is a
romance with a Christian background.
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That's a simple definition.
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There's more to it than that,
or rather, they've developed into more than that.
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When I wrote my first one in
1992, it was enough to have a Christian background.
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Now I believe the books have
more religion in them.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Which should be stronger? The
romance or the Christian message?
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Veda Boyd Jones
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First of all, these books are
romance. They were written for the reader to enjoy..
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and those readers are
Christian women who want a good love story..
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without the carnal details
that are in regular romance books.
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Mary Rosenblum
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What are the taboos? How far
can the 'romance' go?
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Veda Boyd Jones
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Well, kisses are okay.
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But there is never sex before
marriage in an inspirational.
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And there is no detail if
there's a love story in a marriage.
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I've written one romance (a
sequel) where the hero and heroine were married.
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I just had them go to the
bedroom, but I never described what went on in there!
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Mary Rosenblum
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Does Barbour offer aspiring contributors
a list of 'dos' and 'don'ts' in terms of what is and is not permissible?
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Veda Boyd Jones
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Yes, I believe those things
are included in the guidelines which
are online.
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They don't allow cuss words or
words like 'darn' and 'heck'
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which they feel are
substitutes for cuss words.
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jameso
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Don't you have to be careful in
dealing with relationships?
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Veda Boyd Jones
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The main characters are not
divorced, but secondary characters can be.
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You certainly have to be
careful in the sensual details.
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lenna
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What is a conversion story?
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Veda Boyd Jones
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A conversion story is where
one character converts the other to Christianity.
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Many of the stories have
someone who has lost faith because of, oh, parents being kille
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for example, and the hero or
heroine is angry with God. The other character brings that
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character back into the fold.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Is the market good for inspirationals?
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Veda Boyd Jones
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It's a growing market...
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I read somewhere (so don't
quote me) that nearly 15% of all religious titles are now romances.
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I was stunned to find my
Callie's Mountain --
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the reprint that has two
novels and a novella with the same characters --
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at Wal-Mart, at Sam's, at
Barnes and Noble, and other bookstores.
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That's huge distribution, and
that speaks of the growing market for inspirationals.
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The section of religious
fiction at Barnes and Noble varies according to the section of the country
where the store is located.
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My son in NYC says one store
near him has only two shelves of 'religious fiction.' The store near me in Arkansas
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has two bookcases devoted to
that genre.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Romance is a growing market
right across the publishing board. Wow! Big congratulations on ending up in
the big chains! Nice to know that Barbour distributes to them.
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Veda Boyd Jones
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Thanks. I'm excited about it.
I don't have to tell other writers the great thrill
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it is to find a book with your
name on it in a big bookstore
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If you haven't had the thrill
yet, you can imagine it and keep the hope that it will be there for you
soon.
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aladyfirst
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How do you break into romance
writing?
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Veda Boyd Jones
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I just wrote a book that I
thought would fit the guidelines. When I was writing the first one,
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the process was to send three
chapters and a summary.
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Then the editor would ask for
more if she wanted to read the entire thing.
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Once I'd sold a couple, I sold
romances on the summary and a chapter.
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Different publishers have
different ways of breaking in
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but I'd suggest first time
authors have a completed book before sending a proposal
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(that’s a summary and
three chapters) to an editor.
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That way when the editor asks
to see the entire manuscript, you can send it off that day.
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Mary Rosenblum
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That's sound advice no matter
what publisher you plan to contact
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since I don't know any
publisher who will buy on a simple synopsis from an unpublished author.
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ashton
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I live in Northwest Arkansas. Do
you have any plans for a book signing up my way?
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Veda Boyd Jones
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Ashton, I rarely do book
signings. Before I sold a book, I dreamed of signing
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books at a bookstore. The
first time I did it, I sold one book.
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I felt like I was running a
garage sale, and people wouldn't look me in the eye.
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I've done better than one book,
but I think my top is nine books at a signing that wasn't connected with
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a literature festival at a
school. I'm probably the rare writer
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who doesn't like book signings.
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By the way, I was born in NW
Arkansas, in Sulphur Springs, and I have a masters in history from the University of Arkansas.
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I love the state.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Oh, Veda, you're very typical.
Many writers, myself included, don't like bookstore signings. I only do
them
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for stores that advertise the
event and usually do a reading too. Like you, I HATE
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to just sit at a table and try
to get people to buy my books.
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Veda Boyd Jones
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Here's another thing...
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I long ago read an article
where an author complained about her book cover
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and I thought, get a life,
babe. You don't know how good you've got it. You have a cover.
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Now I've complained about book
covers. It's true that covers sell books.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Ah, isn't it interesting how
your perspective changes as you advance from 'first sale' to regular
author? :-)
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Veda Boyd Jones
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It sure is.
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But I never forget what it
felt like to sell that first book.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Me neither. That moment is
priceless.
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trainer
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How hard is the market to break
into for new authors? Is it like the other markets in that sense?
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Veda Boyd Jones
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It is no harder and no easier
to break into inspirational romance than regular romance.
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There are just as many writers
scrambling for the publishing slots of those books. But the cream
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will rise. If you write a
really good book that fits a publishing niche, then it will sell.
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You have to keep faith in
yourself
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and sometimes that's hard to
do. I know. I've had well over
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500 rejections in my writing
career, and I still get them
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and I still don’t' like
them, but they're part of the business.
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Remember, it was my fifth book
that sold. Later I went back and rewrote those
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first four books
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and sold them..
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It just took me awhile to
learn the techniques of the selling writer
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and there are tons of things I
still have to learn.
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jyinxy
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What inspired you to write
Romance? What inspires you to continue to write Romance?
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Veda Boyd Jones
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Okay, I thought it would be
easy
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but it wasn't.
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Anyone who thinks romance
doesn't take good character development and solid plots
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just like a mainstream book doesn't
know much about the business.
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Yes, there is a formula to
romance.
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The ending is known from page
one.
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The hero and heroine will end
up together on the last page.
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But all the stuff in-between
Chapter One and The End is up for grabs.
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radioflyer
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Can you name a few techniques of
a selling writer?
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Veda Boyd Jones
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Sure.
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Dialogue. Watch the tags.
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Said is an invisible word and
should be used instead of replied, added, commented.
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All those tag words that don't
mean much, yet are read by the reader. There are good
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tags like whispered, shouted,
whined because they show how something is said.
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You can't use impossible words
as tags.
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Ever tried to smile words?
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I had an editor change one of
my tag lines to she smiled, and I hated that it went out
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in a magazine with my byline.
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You can use actions, I call
them dialogue beats, to tell who's speaking
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for example: "Hand me the
pliers." Jim held his hand out, just like a surgeon waiting for a scalpel.
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Mary Rosenblum
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I call them action tags, with
my students. :-) VERY effective.
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lapart
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What kind of plots do editors
look for in the inspirational genre?
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Veda Boyd Jones
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A careful writer mixes up tags
and action tags.
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You know, inspirationals are
open to a wider variety of plots
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than regular romances.
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Category romances have taboos
against land development plots or actors as characters.
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Those are fine in inspirationals.
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janp
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With all the 'Can't dos,' do you
find it a challenge to come up with new characters and plots?
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Veda Boyd Jones
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Yes, sometimes I do
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because we as writers like to
mirror the real world and
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present a take-away for the
reader that can help her
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in her life, and sometimes the
confines of inspirationals don't allow the development
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of a full character.
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I'm saying this all wrong
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but take divorce.
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It happens, and not to allow
the main characters to have suffered that horrible emotional
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feeling means the book may not
ring true. Oh, the secondary
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characters can have a divorce,
but it isn't explored. With half our population
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divorced, that doesn't seem to
mirror the real world.
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By the way, as Jim says, he's
still married to his first wife (that's me) and has been for 30 years.
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Mary Rosenblum
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So Veda were you a longtime
Romance reader before you began to write it?
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Veda Boyd Jones
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My family moved to Tulsa and we knew no
one. On the second day we
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were there, I went to the
library to enroll our oldest son in the story hour. I wasn't
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allowed to get a library card
because I didn't yet have proof of residency, and taxes supported the
library.
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I was allowed to take some
paperback books on the honor system.
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My choices were western and
romances. I chose romances,
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and the rest is history!
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Mary Rosenblum
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Do you think a would be Romance
writer needs to be a regular reader of Romance first?
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Veda Boyd Jones
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Yes. Absolutely. A writer
should write what she/he likes to read.
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The best way to learn writing
is to read, read, read.
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As a reader, you've all judged
books. At times, you may not have realized
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why you liked one book or
author better than another
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but I'll bet by now you can
see little things that make a book a good read.
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ashton
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I'm impressed. I can't imagine
finishing a book in 4 short months. Are you contracted to do a certain
number a year for Heartsong...how's that work?
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Veda Boyd Jones
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No, I have never been
contracted to write a certain number of books.
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I've just sent the book
manuscripts (or chapters) in one at a time.
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And the writing gets easier,
and that's my job.
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So, I don't just write two
hours a day.
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I get breakfast for Jim (the
boys are out of the house now), throw a load of laundry in, sweep the
kitchen, and head to my office
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which is a converted bedroom.
Until a year ago, I wrote in a corner of the family room.
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Then I spend the day writing,
with a break for lunch with Jim, then I stop when he comes home. Unless
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I'm on deadline, and then I
work at night, too.
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radioflyer
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How long did it take to write Callies Mountain?
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Veda Boyd Jones
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That book took about four
months. But I knew the plot and the location before I started writing. The
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most I've written in a day is
13 pages. But I'm consistent. I drum out eight to ten pages each day. And
that adds
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up pretty fast. Revising is
easier than the rough draft. You can't edit a blank page. Once you
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have something on paper, you
can figure out what works and what's too slow and fix it.
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When I first started writing,
I didn't like revising one bit. And I didn't do much.
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Remember, my first four books
didn't sell when I first wrote them
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and one reason was lack of
revision. One of the most important things I've
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learned is to not
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skip revision. When I was
writing short stuff for magazines
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I might write it in the
morning and send it out in the afternoon. Obviously
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I didn't revise...and just as
obviously, most of the stuff was rejected.
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sailor
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What kinds of things did you
change in those first four books after you sold your fifth?
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Veda Boyd Jones
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Hard question. It's been a
long time
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but I'm sure I developed the
characters more. I had more introspection
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and less dialogue. I wrote too
heavy on dialogue in the beginning
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and dialogue is important, but
I had talking heads.
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That’s two people
talking on an entire page. Just like a phone conversation. The
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reader needs to see action.
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I also would have chosen words
carefully.
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A writer friend once told me
that I'd written every word the first time,
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now I had to go back and look
at every word again and see if it was the right word.
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I replaced a lot of adverbs
with stronger verbs. For example, instead of saying
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walked slowly across the
floor, I might change it to she tiptoed.
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trainer
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Do you revise as you go or wait
until you have your book complete?
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Veda Boyd Jones
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My system is to revise each
day
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and I do that because I reread
what I've written the day before to get me started
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and I can't let a badly
constructed sentence stay. It's second nature to me now to
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correct what I'm reading. I
still do complete revisions after the rough is done
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and I read the final version
aloud to hear the rhythm
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and it is never my final
version. I always find something else that I need to change. Once I
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get to the point that I'm
changing a word back and forth, I know I've revised enough.
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lapart
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Do you write better in the
mornings?
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Veda Boyd Jones
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I don't know.
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I like mornings, and I like
getting started, but I write more
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in the afternoons, I think.
Once you go in the zone
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you just keep typing.
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When I write, I'm watching a
movie in my mind and describing on paper what
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I see and what the characters
are saying, and what they're wearing, and what they're doing.
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When I first begin that day,
I'm more in the mode of choosing their clothes. Does that make sense?
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Mary Rosenblum
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It does to me. :-) I know that
progression well.
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lenna
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Did guilt about spending too
much time writing ever get in the way of your writing? If it did, how did
you handle that?
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Veda Boyd Jones
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When my three sons were young,
they took naps every afternoon
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from one o'clock when Jim went back
to work from lunch, until three. That was my
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writing time for years.
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My oldest son won Best Rester
in kindergarten because he fell asleep at rest time. He was so used to
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sleeping in the
afternoon!....Once my youngest son started first grade,
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I became a full-time writer.
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So, although I had to drop off
and pick up from school
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and take cookies to homeroom
parties
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I still had most of the day to
myself
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to write. My breaks were to
talk on the phone
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with friends while I was
ironing.
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Then I'd get back to the
computer.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Have you ever run into a case
of writer's block?
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Veda Boyd Jones
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So I didn't experience guilt
because I kept the house going, the family going, but had the luxury of
being alone in silence for several
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hours a day to work.
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I do not believe in writer's
block, so I'm trying to come up with a new name for what I'm experiencing
right now.
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I've started a book, then last
week erased the entire file.
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I didn't plot enough. I didn't
do character sketches, which I always do. I don't
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know what I was thinking.
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But there are times when the
mind is on overload
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and 2005 was a horrible year
for me.
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My dad died in June. Jim had
colon cancer surgery in September and lung cancer surgery in November. Both
contained
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no chemo. As the doctor said,
"What did you do in Viet Nam?" But we're through those times, and I must focus
on writing again.
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Anyone have a tip for me about
that?
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Mary Rosenblum
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I’m not sure there is
one, Veda. Sometimes life simply gets in the way.
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What an awful year!
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Veda Boyd Jones
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Sorry to get so personal here,
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Mary Rosenblum
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I'm so sorry.
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Veda Boyd Jones
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But writers need the ups and
downs or we wouldn't have things to write about, would we?
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Mary Rosenblum
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Alas, yes.
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radioflyer
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I'm glad you got persona. My
sister just told me she has liver cancer, and I haven't written much ...can’t
find a way to focus right now. How did you?
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Veda Boyd Jones
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Well, it was hard, but when I
was on deadline, I just did it. I was working on a middle-grade novel about
the Trail of Tears
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when my dad died. I was with
him when he died, and that scene is in that book. It helped me to write it.
In my journal
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I just wrote, 'my dad died
last night.' That was all. But in a book, I could step back and give the
emotions the heroine felt as she stayed with this
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woman who was dying.
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Veda Boyd Jones
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Radioflyer, I don't have any
magic answers on controlling the mind, except to write it, not as it's
happening to you, perhaps, but as a character
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would react to the situation.
I'll be sending positive thoughts to you and your sister.
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Mary Rosenblum
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I think that's part of the
power of writing, Veda....and part of what brings characters to life on the
page.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Our own loves and losses and
fears and triumphs.
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Veda Boyd Jones
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I just got the galleys
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on that book last week
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and I cried when I read
through several scenes. Yet, the tears were healing.
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ashton
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I'm sorry, Veda. Don't think
there are any easy answers. 2005 was a horrible year for me as well. Two of
my fur babies died, my father, in remission from one cancer and a kidney
problem developed skin cancer that ate through his ear. Had to graft the
skin. I couldn't write under all that stress, but it was the writing that
gave me something to wrap myself around when things finally settled down.
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Veda Boyd Jones
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Ashton, I understand your pain
and the wonder of writing that can bring focus to our lives.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Do you find that you draw
directly on your life experience when you build your characters?
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Veda Boyd Jones
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My characters are me. They
have lots of my wonderful :) qualities and some of my bad
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Mary Rosenblum
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Do they have their origins in
people you know?
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Veda Boyd Jones
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I've also written about my
relatives and people I know
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disguised by physical details
and different names, of course.
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By using actual people, I feel
I'm drawing real characters.
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And I set romances only in
places I've been. When I once wrote
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about Abilene, Texas, I took a
video camera to old Fort Phantom Hill and watched it several times
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to hear how the wind howled
around the stone chimneys that remained from the original buildings.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Oh, very cool. I'm sure it
added a lot of richness to the book.
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tory
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What a powerful detail
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Mary Rosenblum
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I agree.
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Veda Boyd Jones
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Sounds are details
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we sometimes forget to add to
scenes
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but like smell, sound is a
powerful sense.
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I think smell is so very
powerful. You know, if you mention a movie theater,
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people immediately smell the
popcorn
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or if you mention a hospital,
the odor of antiseptics pops into the mind.
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ashton
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Any of your relatives ever
suspect who they were in your book?
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Veda Boyd Jones
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Oh, that question made me
laugh.
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I've written a mainstream
novel that I'm trying to sell now
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but I had to wait until after
my aunt died to write it.
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That came out wrong.
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I wasn't hoping she'd pass
on...she was my favorite aunt,
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but I wanted to write a book
about the life she should have had.
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I use names of relatives a
lot.
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In Callie's Mountain, the hero
is Morgan P. Rutherford, III. Morgan is my second son.
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I've also written about Landon
and Marshall. They each got to be a hero in a novel.
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Mary Rosenblum
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That's cool.
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Sort of a family memorial.
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janp
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COOL
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Veda Boyd Jones
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About names.
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It's important to get the
right name for a character. You all know that giving
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a 25-year-old heroine a name
like Eula isn't going to work.
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Names have to fit the
character and the historical time.
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lapart
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Do too many emotional scenes
disconnect the reader?
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Mary Rosenblum
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What do you think, Veda?
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Veda Boyd Jones
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Think about a situation comedy
on TV.
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There's usually a light
subplot and a serious subplot
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and it's the same in a book.
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You, the writer, are in
control of your reader's emotions. You
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want them to cry at a sad
scene, and you want them
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to laugh at something that's
funny. There has to be a balance
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for the book to work.
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jyinxy
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Is romance your favorite to write?
Or do you prefer writing children's books?
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Veda Boyd Jones
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I started writing children's
books for my sons. I wrote romance for me. I'm working
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on a romance short story right
now,
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and I'm having fun with it.
For short stories
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I take something that's happened
to me and fictionalize it
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and I always enjoy the
process. Of course
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